The fastest driver.
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TITWONK

Original Poster:

530 posts

196 months

Tuesday 30th July 2013
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Is Hamilton the fastest driver out there at the moment? are we about to see Lewis rule the roost again and will next year be his to win?
I know this thread might not go down well but I'm not A Hamilton fan boy! I have just been impressed by the last few qualifying laps and also his races! as I say, I have no real favourite but just recently for me its been "go Lewis"
Does anyone else agree?

cosicave

686 posts

189 months

Wednesday 31st July 2013
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Yes.
After a faltering start before getting properly to grips with new car and team, he seems to be settling in now. I think there may be a case to answer about mental frailty, in that he needs his head in the right place and seems easily (mis?)led; but this should not be confused with a lack of ability or conviction. Taking nothing away from Vettel, ever since Hamilton arrived on the GP2 scene, I've regarded him as 'the fastest driver' in open-wheeled racing.

Rosberg is very, very quick; but despite a friendly rivalry borne of mutual respect, I believe he may look back on life in years to come and see Hamilton as his ultimate nemesis.

RumbleOfThunder

3,721 posts

232 months

Wednesday 31st July 2013
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Funny how highly people rate Rosberg these days. Driving alongside Schumi he was nothing special. :lol:

Scuffers

20,887 posts

303 months

Wednesday 31st July 2013
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RumbleOfThunder said:
Funny how highly people rate Rosberg these days. Driving alongside Schumi he was nothing special. :lol:
Odd that when you consider their final points count:

Year Ros - Shu
2010 142 to 72
2011 89 to 76
2012 93 to 49

that's pretty conclusive to me?

Centurion07

10,395 posts

276 months

Wednesday 31st July 2013
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Not exactly Schumi's glory years those though were they? rolleyes

markcoznottz

7,155 posts

253 months

Wednesday 31st July 2013
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Some drivers are fast only when the car/tyre package suits them, which makes them successful only because of opportunity. Schumacher made himself that window 2000-2004 and cleared up. How good he was other than that is hard to nail down, there are loads of fast drivers, but it would seem its hard to win a lot of races.

TheHeretic

73,668 posts

284 months

Wednesday 31st July 2013
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Unless all the drivers are in the same car, we'll never know. How good is Bianchi, Ricciardo, Di Resta, Grosjean, and so on?

Unfortunately we can only compare to team mates, or use the WDC.

oyster

13,697 posts

277 months

Wednesday 31st July 2013
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Scuffers said:
RumbleOfThunder said:
Funny how highly people rate Rosberg these days. Driving alongside Schumi he was nothing special. :lol:
Odd that when you consider their final points count:

Year Ros - Shu
2010 142 to 72
2011 89 to 76
2012 93 to 49

that's pretty conclusive to me?
1. Does that take into account mechanical failures?
2. How fast will Rosberg be when he's 43?

Scuffers

20,887 posts

303 months

Wednesday 31st July 2013
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oyster said:
1. Does that take into account mechanical failures?
2. How fast will Rosberg be when he's 43?
OK, so how about if we look at his first stint in F1?

1. does it take into account how many times he was driving a bent car?
2. does it take account of him driving other people off the track or other such dirty tactics?

MGJohn

10,203 posts

212 months

Wednesday 31st July 2013
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There again, could it simply be....

THE CAR!

Jasandjules

72,560 posts

258 months

Wednesday 31st July 2013
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MGJohn said:
There again, could it simply be....

THE CAR!
The car does have a huge impact upon it but teams know how fast the car should be and know when a driver is "outperforming" that figure of course.

I would personally love to see a RBR car put on a track for a day with all drivers getting to drive the same car that day, say 12 laps, and see how they get on. Of course there would be an advantage to the RBR drivers but you have to pick a car somewhere..

ajprice

33,247 posts

225 months

Wednesday 31st July 2013
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Not every driver does it, and it does mix several series together, but the annual ROC is some kind of marker for drivers in equal cars. Schumacher/Vettel have won the team race for the last 6 years, individual winner F1 drivers have been Grosjean and Kovalainen, but Loeb (WRC) and Kristensen (LMP) regularly do well there. I'm putting money on Max Chilton winning the next one, who's with me?

P-Jay

11,397 posts

220 months

Wednesday 31st July 2013
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ajprice said:
Not every driver does it, and it does mix several series together, but the annual ROC is some kind of marker for drivers in equal cars. Schumacher/Vettel have won the team race for the last 6 years, individual winner F1 drivers have been Grosjean and Kovalainen, but Loeb (WRC) and Kristensen (LMP) regularly do well there. I'm putting money on Max Chilton winning the next one, who's with me?
Max Chilton couldn't win the raffle at ROC unless his Dad bought all the tickets for him.

ajprice

33,247 posts

225 months

Wednesday 31st July 2013
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P-Jay said:
Max Chilton couldn't win the raffle at ROC unless his Dad bought all the tickets for him.
Exactly hehe , I'm on te way to Ladbrokes now.

MGJohn

10,203 posts

212 months

Wednesday 31st July 2013
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ajprice said:
P-Jay said:
Max Chilton couldn't win the raffle at ROC unless his Dad bought all the tickets for him.
Exactly hehe , I'm on te way to Ladbrokes now.
What odds are they offering? .. rofl

MartynVRS

1,926 posts

239 months

Wednesday 31st July 2013
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P-Jay said:
Max Chilton couldn't win the raffle at ROC unless his Dad bought all the tickets for him.
rofl Brilliant!

vonuber

17,868 posts

194 months

Wednesday 31st July 2013
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Seriously, after one race win? Rosberg has won twice already this year in the same car.
Swap Hamilton and Hulkenberg and then come back and post this when he is milling around the midfield.

TheHeretic

73,668 posts

284 months

Wednesday 31st July 2013
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vonuber said:
Seriously, after one race win? Rosberg has won twice already this year in the same car.
Swap Hamilton and Hulkenberg and then come back and post this when he is milling around the midfield.
Weird isn't it? Rosberg won last year in China, this year twice, bit it is only when Hamilton wins that anyone really takes notice.

S0 What

3,358 posts

201 months

Wednesday 31st July 2013
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vonuber said:
Seriously, after one race win? Rosberg has won twice already this year in the same car.
Swap Hamilton and Hulkenberg and then come back and post this when he is milling around the midfield.
Yes one race win in a car he's only been driving for 1/2 a season, Nico has 2 wins (one only cos Lewis had tyre issues lets not ofrget) but he's been in the car for 3 1/2 years (or 3 wins if you count last years results).
It seems to me some people are fanboys some people are haters who look for any reason to put a driver down? either that or they have a very short attention span and or memory ?

JMC1

567 posts

264 months

Wednesday 31st July 2013
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Current fastest and still alive.........
Rene Arnoux I have seen the footage of the 1979 French GP
and don't say he is not current he is ahead of the times as I saw him driving a F1 Renault turbo at Goodwood.