991 selling well?
991 selling well?
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Chipper

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1,540 posts

246 months

Monday 5th August 2013
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Before putting my deposit in for the new GT3 I had been monitoring used prices of 991 c2s and 4s. I was going to buy one of the vehicles in stock with a good discount ( I think it was £9k off list) but decided to go all out and order a new GT3.

Since then I've occasionally checked the stock of my dealers group and prices seemed to have firmed up on the above vehicles but judging that I've been looking for we'll over four months now the same cars in the group are still there. In fact I don't think they have sold hardly any of their used 991 vehicles since looking.

If they are not shifting their used 991 stock are there still large discounts available on 991's as it must be bloody hard to move them these days without huge discounts or is it true they have massively reduced supply ?






MrTickle

1,825 posts

268 months

Monday 5th August 2013
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Chipper said:
Before putting my deposit in for the new GT3 I had been monitoring used prices of 991 c2s and 4s. I was going to buy one of the vehicles in stock with a good discount ( I think it was £9k off list) but decided to go all out and order a new GT3.

Since then I've occasionally checked the stock of my dealers group and prices seemed to have firmed up on the above vehicles but judging that I've been looking for we'll over four months now the same cars in the group are still there. In fact I don't think they have sold hardly any of their used 991 vehicles since looking.

If they are not shifting their used 991 stock are there still large discounts available on 991's as it must be bloody hard to move them these days without huge discounts or is it true they have massively reduced supply ?
I heard they have shifted a lot of production output to emerging markets and reduced supply to the UK. Just a rumour but would explain some of the prices firming up.

Helicopter123

8,831 posts

185 months

Monday 5th August 2013
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Chipper said:
Before putting my deposit in for the new GT3 I had been monitoring used prices of 991 c2s and 4s. I was going to buy one of the vehicles in stock with a good discount ( I think it was £9k off list) but decided to go all out and order a new GT3.

Since then I've occasionally checked the stock of my dealers group and prices seemed to have firmed up on the above vehicles but judging that I've been looking for we'll over four months now the same cars in the group are still there. In fact I don't think they have sold hardly any of their used 991 vehicles since looking.

If they are not shifting their used 991 stock are there still large discounts available on 991's as it must be bloody hard to move them these days without huge discounts or is it true they have massively reduced supply ?
I've heard a whisper that Porsche UK have scaled back numbers on the new 991 to bring supply back into line with demand. Production shifted elsewhere where demand is higher.

Edited by Helicopter123 on Monday 5th August 10:02

APOLO1

5,391 posts

223 months

Monday 5th August 2013
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you are right prices have firmed up big time. I sold my friends last week took two phone calls to OPcS, list 87k 3k miles, got 76250, and it required a bit of paint

rosino

1,395 posts

201 months

Monday 5th August 2013
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Very good news indeed smile My lovely Aqua 991 C2S might need a new home soon if the GT3 allocation is confirmed (despite pessimism on this forum about its likelyhood..)

And even better Aqua is being suspended so that stunning color can only be had from me smile

Geneve

4,018 posts

248 months

Monday 5th August 2013
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There was an over-supply of 991 C2 models during its first year of production, with too many cars available from stock.

Now, I believe allocations are more limited and, although there will be cars in stock and some discounts, it's all now much tighter with most cars being built to order within acceptable lead times.

However, and I'm sure this goes for all models, inc the Turbos and GT3s, they will want to produce enough cars to satisfy genuine demand.


franki68

11,643 posts

250 months

Monday 5th August 2013
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I was told porsche dealers had been instructed to keep used prices high ,if you look prices are same or higher than last year with more stock available.

Lightningman

1,228 posts

211 months

Monday 5th August 2013
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Geneve said:
However, and I'm sure this goes for all models, inc the Turbos and GT3s, they will want to produce enough cars to satisfy genuine demand.

Agreed.

They have decreased UK allocation; however, if a customer is waiving a deposit, they will find a build slot.

Buster73

5,617 posts

182 months

Monday 5th August 2013
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Selling so well that the opc salesman I spoke to in the dealership 3 weeks ago hasnt bothered his arse to contact me.


retreat

326 posts

248 months

Monday 5th August 2013
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Popped into my OPC on Saturday (airbag stopped working on my 991) and there was a Carrera and an S that were there in stock when I bought mine 6 months ago!!!!

anonymous-user

83 months

Monday 5th August 2013
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APOLO1 said:
you are right prices have firmed up big time. I sold my friends last week took two phone calls to OPcS, list 87k 3k miles, got 76250, and it required a bit of paint
3k 6/12 old retails at OPCs for late seventies? So how do they make that deal work? Surprisingly small margin. I would have expected max £70k bid on 87 k list 991 under a year old.

AH9999

33 posts

225 months

Monday 5th August 2013
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Over 50 (yes fifty) 991 C2S cars available from stock in the UK - this excludes paid up stock, showroom cars and other models (i.e. C2, C4, C4S).....any if these 50 cars can be called of by any OPC.

Deals are being done at 15% off which is the dealers front and back end discounts.

Prices of good quality 997.2 models and the outgoing 997 GTS are holding firm.....just do a search on the Porsche website.

Interesting to see a mid £60's 991 C2 hit a specialist indy, JZM - prices are all over the place on 991's at the moment

Wozy68

5,436 posts

199 months

Monday 5th August 2013
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AH9999 said:
Over 50 (yes fifty) 991 C2S cars available from stock in the UK - this excludes paid up stock, showroom cars and other models (i.e. C2, C4, C4S).....any if these 50 cars can be called of by any OPC.

Deals are being done at 15% off which is the dealers front and back end discounts.

Prices of good quality 997.2 models and the outgoing 997 GTS are holding firm.....just do a search on the Porsche website.

Interesting to see a mid £60's 991 C2 hit a specialist indy, JZM - prices are all over the place on 991's at the moment
I just wonder if the 991 really is the be all and end all 911. Im not really a newer 911 kind of guy, however saying that personally I prefer the 997 to the 991. This goes for interior and exterior.
Just my opinion and please understand its just my opinion not a knock at any car or anyone, but whilst looking around the 991 at my local OPC the interior especially just seemed, I dunno, more a car for the American market that a European one and the car seemed a lot bigger somehow than a 911 should be.
It just seemed less of a sports car.

Edited by Wozy68 on Monday 5th August 21:08

Buster73

5,617 posts

182 months

Monday 5th August 2013
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Buster73 said:
Selling so well that the opc salesman I spoke to in the dealership 3 weeks ago hasnt bothered his arse to contact me.
Bugger me , he must have read this post and decided to ring me tonight.

AH9999

33 posts

225 months

Monday 5th August 2013
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Wozy68 said:
AH9999 said:
Over 50 (yes fifty) 991 C2S cars available from stock in the UK - this excludes paid up stock, showroom cars and other models (i.e. C2, C4, C4S).....any if these 50 cars can be called of by any OPC.

Deals are being done at 15% off which is the dealers front and back end discounts.

Prices of good quality 997.2 models and the outgoing 997 GTS are holding firm.....just do a search on the Porsche website.

Interesting to see a mid £60's 991 C2 hit a specialist indy, JZM - prices are all over the place on 991's at the moment
I just wonder if the 991 really is the be all and end all 911. Im not really a newer 911 kind of guy, however saying that personally I prefer the 997 to the 991. This goes for interior and exterior.
Just my opinion and please understand its just my opinion not a knock at any car or anyone, but whilst looking around the 991 at my local OPC the interior especially just seemed, I dunno, more a car for the American market that a European one and the car seemed a lot bigger somehow than a 911 should be.
It just seemed less of a sports car.

Edited by Wozy68 on Monday 5th August 21:08
I currently have a 991 C2S and have owned a number of 997's....

For me the 991 is an awesome GT car albeit a little too synthetic - that's why the GT3 will a huge success, it'll add a little rawness back into the 991 something which was lost from the 997

Carl_Docklands

15,831 posts

291 months

Monday 5th August 2013
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AH9999 said:
Over 50 (yes fifty) 991 C2S cars available from stock in the UK - this excludes paid up stock, showroom cars and other models (i.e. C2, C4, C4S).....any if these 50 cars can be called of by any OPC.

Deals are being done at 15% off which is the dealers front and back end discounts.

Prices of good quality 997.2 models and the outgoing 997 GTS are holding firm.....just do a search on the Porsche website.

Interesting to see a mid £60's 991 C2 hit a specialist indy, JZM - prices are all over the place on 991's at the moment
Including demo cars there is the same amount as there was in February when I last checked - 119 cars. That is around 10% of all the cars imported into the UK.

Don't know why anyone would buy a new one at the moment unless it was a custom paint job, the C4S which is up at swindon for £99k has the powerkit, aerokit and looks the nuts.

Unless they have done something in the last 3 months, there is no slowdown in the numbers imported to the UK, its steady at 300 per quarter.

Buster73

5,617 posts

182 months

Tuesday 6th August 2013
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AH9999 said:
Over 50 (yes fifty) 991 C2S cars available from stock in the UK - this excludes paid up stock, showroom cars and other models (i.e. C2, C4, C4S).....any if these 50 cars can be called of by any OPC.

Deals are being done at 15% off which is the dealers front and back end discounts.

Prices of good quality 997.2 models and the outgoing 997 GTS are holding firm.....just do a search on the Porsche website.

Interesting to see a mid £60's 991 C2 hit a specialist indy, JZM - prices are all over the place on 991's at the moment
15% off ?

Been in today and their opening offer was more like 3%.

I told them the discount mentioned by you at circa 15 % was the figure I'm looking to trade at.

They're going to play with their calculator and come back to me.

I'm not holding my breath.

Lightningman

1,228 posts

211 months

Tuesday 6th August 2013
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15% is optimistic because, in many cases, this is more than their front and back end margin.

10-12% would be realistic imho.


SFO

5,187 posts

212 months

Tuesday 6th August 2013
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15% was doable at the end of 2012 when OPCs got additional 'support' from PCGB.

cayman-black

13,265 posts

245 months

Tuesday 6th August 2013
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drmark said:
APOLO1 said:
you are right prices have firmed up big time. I sold my friends last week took two phone calls to OPcS, list 87k 3k miles, got 76250, and it required a bit of paint
3k 6/12 old retails at OPCs for late seventies? So how do they make that deal work? Surprisingly small margin. I would have expected max £70k bid on 87 k list 991 under a year old.
Hard to beleive that offer APOLO1 .But as you are a very good customer perhaps you where more looked after?