Formula 1 engines according to CNN
Formula 1 engines according to CNN
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MissChief

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7,971 posts

197 months

Tuesday 13th August 2013
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According to this article an F1 engine currently is like this "While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient." but the new ones, well, they're MAGIC! They run on STEAM!

You really CANNOT trust mainstream journalists to talk about anything remotely technical.


Just, WOW.

Now I try not to be in anmy way sexist and I welcome women in nearly every job that men do, but this article? Written by two women.

CraigyMc

18,369 posts

265 months

Tuesday 13th August 2013
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MissChief said:
According to this article an F1 engine currently is like this "While a standard engine is powered by a belt connected to the crankshaft, a turbo engine runs on its own exhaust steam, making it more energy efficient." but the new ones, well, they're MAGIC! They run on STEAM!

You really CANNOT trust mainstream journalists to talk about anything remotely technical.


Just, WOW.

Now I try not to be in anmy way sexist and I welcome women in nearly every job that men do, but this article? Written by two women.
I managed a few paragraphs of that article and then had to stop - I'm not built to take that level of stupid.

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GadgeS3C

4,727 posts

193 months

Tuesday 13th August 2013
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That's the benefit of a media studies degree - they know how to do accurate research wink

Redlake27

2,255 posts

273 months

Tuesday 13th August 2013
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What is that big can of power attached to the standard engine? Where can I buy a can of power?

CraigyMc

18,369 posts

265 months

Tuesday 13th August 2013
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Redlake27 said:
What is that big can of power attached to the standard engine? Where can I buy a can of power?
I'm pretty sure it's an AA battery.

I think the thing they were trying to explain was the (new for 2014) heat energy recovery system (ERS), and the fact that electrical energy from the KERS (now called ERS-Kinetic) will be able to directly (electrically) spin up the turbo in the 2014 engines.

Doesn't excuse the article though.

ETA: proper article http://somersf1.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/2014s-power...

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Edited by CraigyMc on Tuesday 13th August 09:04

fatboy69

9,424 posts

216 months

Tuesday 13th August 2013
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Am i the only one who thought of Clarkson screaming 'power' almost every week on TG when i saw that written on the diagram?

What a crap article.

TheHeretic

73,668 posts

284 months

Tuesday 13th August 2013
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Have they changed it, as I can't see anything about steam exhausts, or belt driven anything?

omgus

7,305 posts

204 months

Tuesday 13th August 2013
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TheHeretic said:
Have they changed it, as I can't see anything about steam exhausts, or belt driven anything?
yes

DanielSan

19,991 posts

196 months

Tuesday 13th August 2013
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I saw CNN and decided it was going to be stupid from that.

The Wookie

14,209 posts

257 months

Tuesday 13th August 2013
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Funny enough I was sitting in my hotel room flicking between channels last night and I happened across an American news channel (not CNN) with a 3-way teleconferenced debate about BitCoin.

So basically they'd picked some clueless bigot for the anti side who looked authoritative and knowledgeable by knowing how to present himself while actually not knowing anything about the subject, a silent and opinionless 'on the fence' panellist, and an irritating younger guy who kept rolling his eyes and getting angry which was rendering his occasionally valid points moot.

Worst of all the ineloquent oik they'd picked to represent to pro side was a Brit, replete with cliché London backdrop.

It was a total farce, Pro and Anti were literally shouting at and over the top of eachother while the presenter had to step in to actually ask the third guy if he wanted to contribute anything! I'm not even sure what the point was of the whole thing was in the end other than perhaps brainwashing stupid people into being against BitCoin.

joewilliams

2,004 posts

230 months

Tuesday 13th August 2013
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I guessed that they'd discovered the difference between supercharging and turbocharging and were pleased as punch.

marshalla

15,902 posts

230 months

Tuesday 13th August 2013
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omgus said:
TheHeretic said:
Have they changed it, as I can't see anything about steam exhausts, or belt driven anything?
yes
Indeed they have - now turbos generate grip.

CraigyMc

18,369 posts

265 months

Tuesday 13th August 2013
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omgus said:
TheHeretic said:
Have they changed it, as I can't see anything about steam exhausts, or belt driven anything?
yes
They've been shamed into putting some effort into it by jalopnik et al.

TFA now said:
"But the evolution you could see from 1981 to the end of the turbo in the late 1980s was huge."

Watch this: F1 design pushes the limits

Taming the turbo

Indeed, throughout the 1980s, the powerful turbo was the F1 engine of choice, able to perform at high altitudes and grip onto steep angles.
"Grip onto steep angles" ... WTF?

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Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Tuesday 13th August 2013
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In 1987 and 1988 it wasn't the engine of choice.

CraigyMc

18,369 posts

265 months

Tuesday 13th August 2013
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Eric Mc said:
In 1987 and 1988 it wasn't the engine of choice.
Eh?

In 1987 and 1988, V6 turbos won all the championships, and every race.

I must be missing some sort of enormous whoosh parrot.

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dr_gn

16,924 posts

213 months

Tuesday 13th August 2013
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CraigyMc said:
Eric Mc said:
In 1987 and 1988 it wasn't the engine of choice.
Eh?

In 1987 and 1988, V6 turbos won all the championships, and every race.

I must be missing some sort of enormous whoosh parrot.

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There were the Colin Chapman and Jim Clark trophies for F1 n/a cars in those years I think.

Wasn't the only year of all turbo '86? IIRC in '85 even Tyrrell ended up using a Renault turbo from half season (Tested at Silverstone).

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Tuesday 13th August 2013
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I may have been a bit off with the years but there was one year at least in the 80s where there was no choice at all regarding turbos - they were compulsory.

CraigyMc

18,369 posts

265 months

Tuesday 13th August 2013
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dr_gn said:
There were the Colin Chapman and Jim Clark trophies for F1 n/a cars in those years I think.
Splitting hairs. No V6t engined car could win the Montreal '88 raft race either, for the same reason.
The turbo cars won everything that mattered.

dr_gn said:
Wasn't the only year of all turbo '86? IIRC in '85 even Tyrrell ended up using a Renault turbo from half season (Tested at Silverstone).
Wikipedia says 1986 was all-turbo, yes.

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Tuesday 13th August 2013
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So, turbos were not the engine of choice - for at least one year.

dr_gn

16,924 posts

213 months

Tuesday 13th August 2013
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CraigyMc said:
dr_gn said:
There were the Colin Chapman and Jim Clark trophies for F1 n/a cars in those years I think.
Splitting hairs. No V6t engined car could win the Montreal '88 raft race either, for the same reason.
The turbo cars won everything that mattered.
I wasn't splitting hairs, I was just pointing out that there was a choice of engine type for the years mentioned, and that indeed there were separate trophies for teams competing within each engine category (even though I don't think the Clark and Chapman trophies were classed as championships in their own right).