owning your porsche
Discussion
the threads of late have been astonishingly polarising, with a huge amount of noise being thrown out in all directions and i realised today that i cant remember the last time i actually read anything about cars on here. it all seems like its about cars but its not really.. some of the GT3 stuff comes close but ultimately ends up with folks just saying I want a GT3 while others say i have a GT3. yawn!!!!
so while most people on here own porsches, i wanted to make a post for those that really own theirs. i know you are out there and more importantly on here, my email inbox from members testifies to it. folks that want to chat about stuff, folks that want to ask questions all without being drowned out by the BS.
owning a car is about more than having a name on a V5, its about possessing the experience. about sweating, bleeding and crying over it as you try to navigate it towards what you want from it and it to be. that sense that it could be more (and more for you). its the cars that get under your skin, that you invest part of yourself in (confusingly) and the type porsche used to throw out with regularity.
i know many don't get this and for you, theres a million threads you can go and rattle around in so off you pop. no one here cares about the opinion that you bought from the newstand or about your contrary position. the penis measuring tape is elsewhere.
and you don't get in either just by having mods. anyone can wave a cheque book at a garage and end up with a tuned car. if you didn't think about it endlessly, loose sleep, get it wrong, try again, scrape some knuckles, get mad, get creative, push the boundaries and consider arson then you don't get it still.
theres not enough of this stuff on here, and i know for many its simply self preservation, exposing yourself to the monkeys in the peanut gallery to shout down at is frustrating so why bother.
so those of you on here, if you can be ar$ed say hi and post something up about where you are at, whats drowning your thoughts at the moment and those that actually own their cars can enjoy. it doesn't matter what car you have either, it transcends all this madness. this can all be a bit like AA
i know theres folks doing all sorts of great stuff and running around in cars that are hot rods in the truest sense. people that are currently tearing things out (even just your hair), putting it back, bashing away etc so lets hear it. it doesnt need to be a full project run down, just a bit about whats going on to offset the balance. lets bring cars back.
i once built a 3.4 996 C2 engine out to 4 litre to see what it would be like. race specced up everything too, heads, race cams, super light flywheel etc. i didnt leave out anything that could be possibly done. it made 400hp (i'll need to look up the dyno for torque figure). i even addressed the oiling problems that engine had. for all the folks bleating on about larger displacement C2 engines and giving their views i dont know any that have bothered to make one let alone driven one, but despite this ive never posted this up before when it would have been relevant to the discussion because I felt there was no point. thats the sort of stuff the forum misses out on and its a shame, because for every 10 demons, theres one guy doing something cracking and no one hears about it in the sea of drivel.
at the moment im still consumed with my on going project car. im building my own watercooled porsche and am at the point ive been putting off since the whole thing began.....the interior.
its the only part of the whole thing ive never really had super clarity on from the aesthetic side and im still no further forward. some chatting with air cooled guys and a ton of reading of the sports purpose manual from the days when porsche had a pair has helped somewhat, as has looking at endless pictures of 911 R and other cars but its still not there in my head. the air cooled cars look slick stripped out/or down but the watercooled shells are more angular and less pretty inside while also having quite a bit more wiring cluttering up the place. the interior is the one place where getting it wrong can just ruin the whole deal as a cohesive whole. i would like to keep it minimal, the question is just how to pull it off well. im leaning towards trying some rubber flooring instead of the main carpets (911R style) to see if that works for all i need. who would have thought looking up ribbed rubber products on the internet for hours could be so dull
so while most people on here own porsches, i wanted to make a post for those that really own theirs. i know you are out there and more importantly on here, my email inbox from members testifies to it. folks that want to chat about stuff, folks that want to ask questions all without being drowned out by the BS.
owning a car is about more than having a name on a V5, its about possessing the experience. about sweating, bleeding and crying over it as you try to navigate it towards what you want from it and it to be. that sense that it could be more (and more for you). its the cars that get under your skin, that you invest part of yourself in (confusingly) and the type porsche used to throw out with regularity.
i know many don't get this and for you, theres a million threads you can go and rattle around in so off you pop. no one here cares about the opinion that you bought from the newstand or about your contrary position. the penis measuring tape is elsewhere.
and you don't get in either just by having mods. anyone can wave a cheque book at a garage and end up with a tuned car. if you didn't think about it endlessly, loose sleep, get it wrong, try again, scrape some knuckles, get mad, get creative, push the boundaries and consider arson then you don't get it still.
theres not enough of this stuff on here, and i know for many its simply self preservation, exposing yourself to the monkeys in the peanut gallery to shout down at is frustrating so why bother.
so those of you on here, if you can be ar$ed say hi and post something up about where you are at, whats drowning your thoughts at the moment and those that actually own their cars can enjoy. it doesn't matter what car you have either, it transcends all this madness. this can all be a bit like AA
i know theres folks doing all sorts of great stuff and running around in cars that are hot rods in the truest sense. people that are currently tearing things out (even just your hair), putting it back, bashing away etc so lets hear it. it doesnt need to be a full project run down, just a bit about whats going on to offset the balance. lets bring cars back.
i once built a 3.4 996 C2 engine out to 4 litre to see what it would be like. race specced up everything too, heads, race cams, super light flywheel etc. i didnt leave out anything that could be possibly done. it made 400hp (i'll need to look up the dyno for torque figure). i even addressed the oiling problems that engine had. for all the folks bleating on about larger displacement C2 engines and giving their views i dont know any that have bothered to make one let alone driven one, but despite this ive never posted this up before when it would have been relevant to the discussion because I felt there was no point. thats the sort of stuff the forum misses out on and its a shame, because for every 10 demons, theres one guy doing something cracking and no one hears about it in the sea of drivel.
at the moment im still consumed with my on going project car. im building my own watercooled porsche and am at the point ive been putting off since the whole thing began.....the interior.
its the only part of the whole thing ive never really had super clarity on from the aesthetic side and im still no further forward. some chatting with air cooled guys and a ton of reading of the sports purpose manual from the days when porsche had a pair has helped somewhat, as has looking at endless pictures of 911 R and other cars but its still not there in my head. the air cooled cars look slick stripped out/or down but the watercooled shells are more angular and less pretty inside while also having quite a bit more wiring cluttering up the place. the interior is the one place where getting it wrong can just ruin the whole deal as a cohesive whole. i would like to keep it minimal, the question is just how to pull it off well. im leaning towards trying some rubber flooring instead of the main carpets (911R style) to see if that works for all i need. who would have thought looking up ribbed rubber products on the internet for hours could be so dull
Edited by fioran0 on Friday 16th August 00:32
Hi-f
king-rah an actual thread about our cars and not finance or values or where I should park the thing.
I love my cars and the are more than cars, they evoke emotions from just looking at them, to sitting in them, the smell of the interior, the noise on turning the key; and the smell in the garage about an hour after getting home. It's all about the senses.
king-rah an actual thread about our cars and not finance or values or where I should park the thing. I love my cars and the are more than cars, they evoke emotions from just looking at them, to sitting in them, the smell of the interior, the noise on turning the key; and the smell in the garage about an hour after getting home. It's all about the senses.
That post made me feel pretty good! Exactly the sort of mentality and attitude towards owning cars that makes it such a good community to be a part of, especially when you're making something unique!
I'm only 20 and digging myself into a student-finance-hole, so no Porsche yet, but I am determined that my next car WILL be a 911. and I've loved the idea for years of having a nice old 3.2 carrera to restore and make my own... Just a matter of time!
Your 4.0L 996 project sounds like it was pretty special, have you got any pics of that?
I'm only 20 and digging myself into a student-finance-hole, so no Porsche yet, but I am determined that my next car WILL be a 911. and I've loved the idea for years of having a nice old 3.2 carrera to restore and make my own... Just a matter of time!
Your 4.0L 996 project sounds like it was pretty special, have you got any pics of that?
Spot on! I love Porsche and lotus, but spend most of my time on SELOC . I see the threads here and despair. Seems your average poster on here isn't even a petrol head, Porsche is a status symbol . It's an economic investment. Jesus, made my decision over a,GT3 or the new Exige an easier one. Pick it up in 10 days.
Excellent post!
Back in the early 90's my brother had a VW Beetle and I would help him in his customisation quest to make it the best beetle at BugJam (it never was). It had a suicide drivers door and a normal passenger door, deck lid standoffs and a bonnet that was hinged on the right hand side. Painted in lime green with a white vinyl interior it would stand out at shows and I thought it was amazing but my brother never really liked to drive it. In a quieter moment one day when we were grinding down the rain gutters off the roof he told me that he wanted to build a Porsche 911 in the same way (as they were 'proper' cars) but in the meantime he would put Porsche Fuchs wheels on his beetle.Then one day, someone came up to him at a show and offered him a large bag of cash for the beetle and it was enough of a cash injection to his savings to buy a 911 so he took it.
That's when my love affair with 911's started.
My brother would come home with Porsche magazines and Auto Trader and sometimes (if he was feeling flush) a copy of Top Marques magazine and we would spend hours together looking at 911's and spending 'our' budget. Should we go for a 74? Maybe a nice 3.2 that needed work? How about a intergalactic mileage 964 that was within budget? Sounds good! We headed off to Bath from Derby to view a 1990 964 Carrera 4 with a manual gearbox, the car was bought home with us.
When we got it home, we cleaned the hell out of that car. The cream linen interior had never looked so good and the satin black metal paint sparkled and glinted in the sun........ But after a few weeks my brother being my brother go bored of cleaning and he wanted to MODIFY!
The first thing he did was give the engine a complete service and overhaul. I remember him poking round the engine bay and he looked over his shoulder and said to me, "unlike the beetle, this one has more than 4 bolts holding the engine in"
Once he had dropped the engine and gearbox, he replaced the clutch, spark plugs and gave the car a good service. This was all very alien to me, how could a man buy such a machine and then take it to bits?? I asked him why he didn't take it to Merlin Porsche in Nottingham to get it serviced and he said "where's the fun in that?" 
After servicing and cleaning the car, he wanted to strip it to make it lighter so we started to remove the interior and emptying the boot. I remember the seats in the 964 weigh a ton (or two) so after taking out all the seats and putting an advert on Auto Trader, he went to buy some replacement seats (god knows where he got them from) but he came home with what looked like race recaros. He fabricated some seat frames from some sheet aluminium and bolted the seats in.
Safety check? Me sat in the rear seat cut outs with my feet firmly on the back of the drivers seat and push as hard as I could! No movement? "She'll be fine"
After that we would take it out on the country roads and thrash it to within an inch of its life! The suspension was so saggy and needed replacing, the brakes were grumbling and it initially felt like a lorry to drive but somehow, the faster you went, the more compliant the suspension became and the harder you jumped on the brakes the stronger the brakes became. I remember the feeling of pushing those floor mounted pedals, it was almost like the brake and clutch were horizontal pistons and you had to angle your feet so that they were almost vertical in order to get enough pressure onto the pedals.
I loved that car!
Anyway, a few months later, my dad passed away and for various reasons my brother had to sell the car. I remember seeing how gutted he was and I remember feeling sick to the stomach that I would never get to drive it again and I swore that one day I would have my own.
My GT3 is more of a cheque book build because to be perfectly honest, I have not got a clue what I am doing with it! I have not got the mechanical skills time or patience. I can't set the geo up myself, I can't change the suspension and I am certain ally not capable of changing the clutch myself. However, I am learning more and more and when I read build threads or engine swap threads it brings back some great memories of being cold in the garage, covered in oil with an angle grinder.
Back in the early 90's my brother had a VW Beetle and I would help him in his customisation quest to make it the best beetle at BugJam (it never was). It had a suicide drivers door and a normal passenger door, deck lid standoffs and a bonnet that was hinged on the right hand side. Painted in lime green with a white vinyl interior it would stand out at shows and I thought it was amazing but my brother never really liked to drive it. In a quieter moment one day when we were grinding down the rain gutters off the roof he told me that he wanted to build a Porsche 911 in the same way (as they were 'proper' cars) but in the meantime he would put Porsche Fuchs wheels on his beetle.Then one day, someone came up to him at a show and offered him a large bag of cash for the beetle and it was enough of a cash injection to his savings to buy a 911 so he took it.
That's when my love affair with 911's started.
My brother would come home with Porsche magazines and Auto Trader and sometimes (if he was feeling flush) a copy of Top Marques magazine and we would spend hours together looking at 911's and spending 'our' budget. Should we go for a 74? Maybe a nice 3.2 that needed work? How about a intergalactic mileage 964 that was within budget? Sounds good! We headed off to Bath from Derby to view a 1990 964 Carrera 4 with a manual gearbox, the car was bought home with us.
When we got it home, we cleaned the hell out of that car. The cream linen interior had never looked so good and the satin black metal paint sparkled and glinted in the sun........ But after a few weeks my brother being my brother go bored of cleaning and he wanted to MODIFY!
The first thing he did was give the engine a complete service and overhaul. I remember him poking round the engine bay and he looked over his shoulder and said to me, "unlike the beetle, this one has more than 4 bolts holding the engine in"
Once he had dropped the engine and gearbox, he replaced the clutch, spark plugs and gave the car a good service. This was all very alien to me, how could a man buy such a machine and then take it to bits?? I asked him why he didn't take it to Merlin Porsche in Nottingham to get it serviced and he said "where's the fun in that?" After servicing and cleaning the car, he wanted to strip it to make it lighter so we started to remove the interior and emptying the boot. I remember the seats in the 964 weigh a ton (or two) so after taking out all the seats and putting an advert on Auto Trader, he went to buy some replacement seats (god knows where he got them from) but he came home with what looked like race recaros. He fabricated some seat frames from some sheet aluminium and bolted the seats in.
Safety check? Me sat in the rear seat cut outs with my feet firmly on the back of the drivers seat and push as hard as I could! No movement? "She'll be fine"
After that we would take it out on the country roads and thrash it to within an inch of its life! The suspension was so saggy and needed replacing, the brakes were grumbling and it initially felt like a lorry to drive but somehow, the faster you went, the more compliant the suspension became and the harder you jumped on the brakes the stronger the brakes became. I remember the feeling of pushing those floor mounted pedals, it was almost like the brake and clutch were horizontal pistons and you had to angle your feet so that they were almost vertical in order to get enough pressure onto the pedals.
I loved that car!
Anyway, a few months later, my dad passed away and for various reasons my brother had to sell the car. I remember seeing how gutted he was and I remember feeling sick to the stomach that I would never get to drive it again and I swore that one day I would have my own.
My GT3 is more of a cheque book build because to be perfectly honest, I have not got a clue what I am doing with it! I have not got the mechanical skills time or patience. I can't set the geo up myself, I can't change the suspension and I am certain ally not capable of changing the clutch myself. However, I am learning more and more and when I read build threads or engine swap threads it brings back some great memories of being cold in the garage, covered in oil with an angle grinder.
lol I thought it was about "finance" when he said " i wanted to make a post for those that really own theirs" and "and those that actually own their cars "
I guess most don't :-)
I can do a Cayman R review if you like vs Spyder :-) I love driving either but as it's raining today it's tucked away.
I would say to any owners of these car and in fact any Cayman owner to get a better geo, My cars are transformed with my geo changes.
I guess most don't :-)
I can do a Cayman R review if you like vs Spyder :-) I love driving either but as it's raining today it's tucked away.
I would say to any owners of these car and in fact any Cayman owner to get a better geo, My cars are transformed with my geo changes.
Edited by mrdemon on Friday 16th August 09:12
Sorry to hijack this topic.....
In my early years used to run Imps great little cars could buy loads of upgrade stuff for them, then like most people got married, brought houses and gave up the spanners etc,had company cars for a number of years and fell out of love with driving.
Kids gone, wife happy, and now own a Boxster s had it about 2 yrs now and have fallen back in love with driving no sat nav, heated seats,or computer,had a full geo done at centre gravity so the car now handles like it should.
Just a rev counter and temp gauge what more do you want when ringing its neck, now live in West Wales amd the B roads are just perfect, new year will bring a 911 (997)for those long weekends going away.
Badger51
In my early years used to run Imps great little cars could buy loads of upgrade stuff for them, then like most people got married, brought houses and gave up the spanners etc,had company cars for a number of years and fell out of love with driving.
Kids gone, wife happy, and now own a Boxster s had it about 2 yrs now and have fallen back in love with driving no sat nav, heated seats,or computer,had a full geo done at centre gravity so the car now handles like it should.
Just a rev counter and temp gauge what more do you want when ringing its neck, now live in West Wales amd the B roads are just perfect, new year will bring a 911 (997)for those long weekends going away.
Badger51
I've spent easily over 50% of the purchase price of my Boxster on maintenance, some scheduled and some unnecessary, and mods in 15 months. That sounds horrendous but as a poverty pork it's not nearly as bad as if it had been a new 911. Mostly it gets driven hard with other keen drivers at the crack of dawn on a sunday and it is being readied for a jaunt across Europe next month. Some people will question the value in doing this but for me it is part of the enjoyment of the ownership experience, and I have the dyno plots to show the incremental improvements so it has been worth while in term sof subjective and objective improvements. As it's an old 986 Boxster and not a 911, most people aren't interested anyway.
Brilliant thread. Can always use info on upgrades , maintenance etc and owners bespoke cars. It's why I prefer Total 911 Mag as they seem to focus more on 'feature cars' that make for an intersting read.
Also it's why bespoke builds from people like Paul Stephens and Autofarm etc are so brilliant to read about as there is no focus on what's it worth in 3 yrs!
Soooo tempted to embark in a build using a 3.2 donor and creating something bespoke sod the cost it'll be MY 911.
I like the way GT TWO loves to personalize he's cars then sells them to start another project. All part of the fun.
The ideas you can get from a thread like this are invaluable.
Love it
Also it's why bespoke builds from people like Paul Stephens and Autofarm etc are so brilliant to read about as there is no focus on what's it worth in 3 yrs!
Soooo tempted to embark in a build using a 3.2 donor and creating something bespoke sod the cost it'll be MY 911.
I like the way GT TWO loves to personalize he's cars then sells them to start another project. All part of the fun.
The ideas you can get from a thread like this are invaluable.
Love it
One day I would love to have the time to build something like this....
http://www.911sporttouring.com/
http://www.911sporttouring.com/
agreed. i have found myself reading mostly classic car type magazines of late, porsche if possible. its much more interesting to me and i dont even own an air cooled car.
someones quest to get wheel arches or adapting an intake to hot rod their engine appeals to me much more than the usual motoring mag stuff of numbers and pointless comparisons. i even read an article on repairing wiring looms that was more interesting that anything in the main stream mags of late.
gt two is an interesting bring up, hes one of a ton of folk on here who are getting in there with their cars, but we only ever get glimpses at it. i wish it was more the other way hence the reason for this thread. i thought that maybe if enough folk realised others were out there there might be a chance to shape the forum a little more in our direction.
i had a good old laugh at the beetle/911 post. that takes me back to the days when your labour and rent (parents house) was cheap and everything else was expensive. the cars may look a little different for many of us nowadays but i like to think alot of that approach remains. it seems that once thats in your nature, you dont quite look at cars in the same way. many of the people on here who are running cars just now that they have sweated over or are the most interesting have a list that extends right back almost to when they were 17 doing the same sort of things, albeit in an old golf, xr2 or capri.
to those asking about the 4 litre 996 engine. ive no pictures as it was just an experiment really, something borne of a bunch of time and some curiousity. i ended up with an 3.4 engine and gearbox i didnt need and wondered what could be possible with it so had at it.
it was just an example that theres stuff going on beneath the surface here thats actually interesting but is seldom evident. theres people making mad cars, mad exhausts and people with cars that look nothing like they did when they bought it all over the place but its sadly not represented.
someones quest to get wheel arches or adapting an intake to hot rod their engine appeals to me much more than the usual motoring mag stuff of numbers and pointless comparisons. i even read an article on repairing wiring looms that was more interesting that anything in the main stream mags of late.
gt two is an interesting bring up, hes one of a ton of folk on here who are getting in there with their cars, but we only ever get glimpses at it. i wish it was more the other way hence the reason for this thread. i thought that maybe if enough folk realised others were out there there might be a chance to shape the forum a little more in our direction.
i had a good old laugh at the beetle/911 post. that takes me back to the days when your labour and rent (parents house) was cheap and everything else was expensive. the cars may look a little different for many of us nowadays but i like to think alot of that approach remains. it seems that once thats in your nature, you dont quite look at cars in the same way. many of the people on here who are running cars just now that they have sweated over or are the most interesting have a list that extends right back almost to when they were 17 doing the same sort of things, albeit in an old golf, xr2 or capri.
to those asking about the 4 litre 996 engine. ive no pictures as it was just an experiment really, something borne of a bunch of time and some curiousity. i ended up with an 3.4 engine and gearbox i didnt need and wondered what could be possible with it so had at it.
it was just an example that theres stuff going on beneath the surface here thats actually interesting but is seldom evident. theres people making mad cars, mad exhausts and people with cars that look nothing like they did when they bought it all over the place but its sadly not represented.
Edited by fioran0 on Friday 16th August 11:08
V8KSN said:
One day I would love to have the time to build something like this....
lovely huh. have you read the sports purpose manual porsche used to make for the air cooled cars? its a full on handbook/manual/guide to hot rodding your car (all the way up to full on race/rallying). its a great insight into that world and an interesting read. even up to 997 the same approaches can be made in some fashion. bolting on bits and pieces from all sorts of other models from the porsche parts catalogue though theres no guidance on how to do it anymore. it was touched on in another thread but im seeing people moving out of GT3s and such like and into older cars at the moment. the new 991 GT3 has left them cold and with nowhere to channel their energies. it may be a tinge of nostalgia but air cooled cars offer many a chance to get a car and really get their teeth into making it theirs.
Nice one fiorano!
Really can't understand the obsession with residual values, colour options, cross-stitching, blah blah blah.
Mine has a cracked offside fender (carbon not steel), a huge chip on the bonnet revealing the gel coating underneath, a rear bumper that looks like it's been shunted a few times (it has!), a couple of small dents on either side of the roof where the cage has been installed, a hole in the roof for the radio mast which has now been plugged in, and a rattly plastic side window.
I like it that way. No need to justify it to the polishers: it's a patina of a life lived.
Really can't understand the obsession with residual values, colour options, cross-stitching, blah blah blah.
Mine has a cracked offside fender (carbon not steel), a huge chip on the bonnet revealing the gel coating underneath, a rear bumper that looks like it's been shunted a few times (it has!), a couple of small dents on either side of the roof where the cage has been installed, a hole in the roof for the radio mast which has now been plugged in, and a rattly plastic side window.
I like it that way. No need to justify it to the polishers: it's a patina of a life lived.
I like the thinking behind this thread. A friend of mine said to me the other day, "there's too much time posting on the internet and not enough time spent driving": so we went for a two day trip..
here's pic of mine on that trip. No sat nav, no ipod connectivity, no ABS, no traction control, no carpets, no heating, 160bhp, 920kg, two seats and a pair of earplugs....whats its all about!
here's pic of mine on that trip. No sat nav, no ipod connectivity, no ABS, no traction control, no carpets, no heating, 160bhp, 920kg, two seats and a pair of earplugs....whats its all about!
Lovely car. Have already been discussing buying a 3.2 donor car with g50 if poss box then attacking a build something like-
Widened rear arches flat boot lid
Retro wide Fuchs with Michelin tyres
Orange paint and 70's decals
Front Cibies on the bonnet
Single silver wing mirror
No rear seats rear roll bar instead
Front leather buckets early 70's style good for touring
Paul Stephens retro clocks
Pull strap door releases
WEVO Shifter maybe
Actually color can be either orange, gulf blue or viper green.
Have to find a good sounding exhaust
Bilstein adjustable dampers
993 turbo brakes
Havnt had a chance to think engine yet
Widened rear arches flat boot lid
Retro wide Fuchs with Michelin tyres
Orange paint and 70's decals
Front Cibies on the bonnet
Single silver wing mirror
No rear seats rear roll bar instead
Front leather buckets early 70's style good for touring
Paul Stephens retro clocks
Pull strap door releases
WEVO Shifter maybe
Actually color can be either orange, gulf blue or viper green.
Have to find a good sounding exhaust
Bilstein adjustable dampers
993 turbo brakes
Havnt had a chance to think engine yet
Edited by lotus211 on Friday 16th August 13:37
Well mines been dragging on for nigh on 3 years and I've yet to drive it ! Bought a rust free LHD non-sunroof 964 C4 - proceeded to convert it to C2 spec, converted to a widebody, re-built the 3 piece wheels since I'm still using NB trailing arms, painted signal green, rebuilt the gearbox, suspension refresh, RS steering rack, RS interior etc etc. Was in the process of putting it back to together again when we noticed a broken headstud - so engine shipped off for a top and bottom end rebuild. Collect that next week and so there is light at the end of the tunnel
Thank goodness for this thread!
I bought my Cayman S over a year ago (second hand) ......... in that time people have told me I've been putting too many miles on it (you'll affect resale value), that I have the wrong options on it and that its in immanent danger of blowing its engine ......... and that I absolutely need to get it serviced by a "specialist".
I on the other hand have just been getting on with the job of driving a brilliant car. So what that its bonnet now looks more spotty than an acne riddled teenager or that the leather seats are getting scratched and wrinkly , they have been built to drive so just get on and drive them!
Mine may not ever win any concurs events, or even "maximise resale value" ..... but it does have soul and that's all I want from it!
More importantly I've now decided its a keeper (buying a second car to handle daily duties) and so the list of modifications is being compiled because its now most definitely "mine"! (Already got a Carnewal GT exhaust sat in the garage, just need to fit it).
Its the same reason I am in the process of buying my stolen motorbike back from the insurance company even though its a bit of a mess ....... its mine and I want that joy/despair/frustration/elation/money pit that is taking something mechanical and restoring/modifying/personalising it! Where is the fun in buying a perfect replacement and letting someone else have that emotional roller-coaster.
It sometimes feels like people on here own a Porsche for the supposed status or so they can surreptitiously let everyone know how much money they have as they talk about what options they are going for. My favourite however is when they mention a service/sales person by name (and therefore the perception that somehow they are "in the group"). Or that the car was inspected by so and so and he "found all these faults" usually because they expect a new factory car and its actually a 30 year old car!
I bought my Cayman S over a year ago (second hand) ......... in that time people have told me I've been putting too many miles on it (you'll affect resale value), that I have the wrong options on it and that its in immanent danger of blowing its engine ......... and that I absolutely need to get it serviced by a "specialist".
I on the other hand have just been getting on with the job of driving a brilliant car. So what that its bonnet now looks more spotty than an acne riddled teenager or that the leather seats are getting scratched and wrinkly , they have been built to drive so just get on and drive them!
Mine may not ever win any concurs events, or even "maximise resale value" ..... but it does have soul and that's all I want from it!
More importantly I've now decided its a keeper (buying a second car to handle daily duties) and so the list of modifications is being compiled because its now most definitely "mine"! (Already got a Carnewal GT exhaust sat in the garage, just need to fit it).
Its the same reason I am in the process of buying my stolen motorbike back from the insurance company even though its a bit of a mess ....... its mine and I want that joy/despair/frustration/elation/money pit that is taking something mechanical and restoring/modifying/personalising it! Where is the fun in buying a perfect replacement and letting someone else have that emotional roller-coaster.
It sometimes feels like people on here own a Porsche for the supposed status or so they can surreptitiously let everyone know how much money they have as they talk about what options they are going for. My favourite however is when they mention a service/sales person by name (and therefore the perception that somehow they are "in the group"). Or that the car was inspected by so and so and he "found all these faults" usually because they expect a new factory car and its actually a 30 year old car!
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