Lola Aston Martin to take part at Shelsley Walsh
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The Lola Aston Martin DBR1-2 that competed at Le Mans in 2009 and came 4th in class will make its debut at the Shelsley Walsh Hill Climb Aston Martin Centenary event on the 17th and 18th August.
No affiliation with Shelsley other than a regular hillclimb spectator at what must be one of the most accessable forms of motor sport on the planet, a full day out at the oldest motor sport venue in continuous use in the world.
Check it out http://www.shelsley-walsh.co.uk/default.asp
Bob
No affiliation with Shelsley other than a regular hillclimb spectator at what must be one of the most accessable forms of motor sport on the planet, a full day out at the oldest motor sport venue in continuous use in the world.
Check it out http://www.shelsley-walsh.co.uk/default.asp
Bob
Decent day weren't it? Midland Automobile Club did a great job assembling the cars.
Tom Onslow Cole did his best to get the arse out on the hydrogen rapide, though probably would have been better served by just going fast.
Lola was quite a sight, though as it was only slightly narrower than the track it only got the V12 properly wound up a couple of times. Sounded great though!
Tom Onslow Cole did his best to get the arse out on the hydrogen rapide, though probably would have been better served by just going fast.
Lola was quite a sight, though as it was only slightly narrower than the track it only got the V12 properly wound up a couple of times. Sounded great though!
LoudV8 said:
Are you sure - wasn't it the basis of that stupid Deltawing ?
Maybe it's AMR1, a much more successful racer.
You mean the deltawing that is the most innovative race car designed in years, especially in its original indycar format where it would have been a real game changerMaybe it's AMR1, a much more successful racer.
designndrive62 said:
LoudV8 said:
Are you sure - wasn't it the basis of that stupid Deltawing ?
Maybe it's AMR1, a much more successful racer.
You mean the deltawing that is the most innovative race car designed in years, especially in its original indycar format where it would have been a real game changerMaybe it's AMR1, a much more successful racer.
I believe AMR made six AMR-ONE tubs. Pescarolo got a couple and ditto Deltawing. The new Deltawing has a bespoke tub - as well as new engine, etc.
Yep. The one that appeared at Shelsley is the only remaining complete AMR-ONE and is being rebuilt to working order.
It was an interesting business model as they were all sold prior to build for life after factory team racing as a way to fund the project. Jota Sport were expecting to race two of them I believe. A plucky design that was just never really going to work, I think, a lack of money and time being vicious bed fellows.
As for Deltawing, that will always be a divisive car, but I'd hate to experience a generation where thinking such as that is pushed down the back of the sofa instead of making it to reality due to aesthetics and perceived performance from talking heads with no in depth knowledge of the design. Then again, I like the diesels, so shoot me
It was an interesting business model as they were all sold prior to build for life after factory team racing as a way to fund the project. Jota Sport were expecting to race two of them I believe. A plucky design that was just never really going to work, I think, a lack of money and time being vicious bed fellows.
As for Deltawing, that will always be a divisive car, but I'd hate to experience a generation where thinking such as that is pushed down the back of the sofa instead of making it to reality due to aesthetics and perceived performance from talking heads with no in depth knowledge of the design. Then again, I like the diesels, so shoot me
Edited by Red Firecracker on Thursday 22 August 08:10
I know one of the chaps slated to race the AMR-ONE at Le Mans. He was very confident of its aero abilities, which I believe related to the front diffuser which was doing something very clever.
Interestingly Dr Ulrich Bagetzy from Audi claimed long before it raced that a straight-six was completely unsuitable and would never work. Evidently those clever Germans know their stuff...
The business model was interesting and I believe that Roald Goethe had bought at least one of the tubs, hence his brief involvement with Pescarolo - I understand they used his tub(s). I felt very sad for the team that it didn't work out as Prodrive had done so much to raise Aston Martin's profile through their GT1 and subsequent prototype campaigns. You can't over-estimate their achievements in taking the GT1 win from Chevrolet at Le Mans. That DBR9 was a hell of a race car and always a privilege to witness. Sadly LMP1 is ringfenced for the big boys now and shall probably remain so for a generation.
I also wholly approve of the Deltawing. It looks wacky but we have 20 LMPs which all look broadly similar these days. Why not have something which looks different and tries to offer an alternative vision of the future. I'm really very excited about what the new Nissan ZEOD-EV will achieve and that it preludes a full LMP1 programme for Nissan. I share your enthusiasm for the diesels too - I adore howling multi-cylinder N/A sports prototypes but the sheer spectacle of an R18 in full flight, virtually silent, is captivating in its own way as well. And the noise of the R18s on start-up is crazy and awesome in equal measure.
Interestingly Dr Ulrich Bagetzy from Audi claimed long before it raced that a straight-six was completely unsuitable and would never work. Evidently those clever Germans know their stuff...
The business model was interesting and I believe that Roald Goethe had bought at least one of the tubs, hence his brief involvement with Pescarolo - I understand they used his tub(s). I felt very sad for the team that it didn't work out as Prodrive had done so much to raise Aston Martin's profile through their GT1 and subsequent prototype campaigns. You can't over-estimate their achievements in taking the GT1 win from Chevrolet at Le Mans. That DBR9 was a hell of a race car and always a privilege to witness. Sadly LMP1 is ringfenced for the big boys now and shall probably remain so for a generation.
I also wholly approve of the Deltawing. It looks wacky but we have 20 LMPs which all look broadly similar these days. Why not have something which looks different and tries to offer an alternative vision of the future. I'm really very excited about what the new Nissan ZEOD-EV will achieve and that it preludes a full LMP1 programme for Nissan. I share your enthusiasm for the diesels too - I adore howling multi-cylinder N/A sports prototypes but the sheer spectacle of an R18 in full flight, virtually silent, is captivating in its own way as well. And the noise of the R18s on start-up is crazy and awesome in equal measure.
There are some very interesting interviews with Baretsky regarding the diesels and noise in general as well as his views on the in line 6. Very much a mad professor type person at the cutting edge, although he does admit he would like another crack at a Le Mans winning petrol engine.
The AMR-One just needed a lot more time and money, in my view. It sort of pre-dated the Audi's with the air through rather than round principal, but I can't see the engine being kept if they had been able to develop more, it just has to many foibles. The Goethe tub did reportedly form the basis of the Pescarolo 03 (hence Stuart Hall getting the drive), although two tubs were 'purchased' by Pescarolo, but I wonder where it is now? The Rofgo Collection does have an AMR-One in it, but is it the same one returned to original spec? I'm guessing all six created tubs still exist.
The TS-030 is quite a thing when it leaves the pits, very sci-fi.
The AMR-One just needed a lot more time and money, in my view. It sort of pre-dated the Audi's with the air through rather than round principal, but I can't see the engine being kept if they had been able to develop more, it just has to many foibles. The Goethe tub did reportedly form the basis of the Pescarolo 03 (hence Stuart Hall getting the drive), although two tubs were 'purchased' by Pescarolo, but I wonder where it is now? The Rofgo Collection does have an AMR-One in it, but is it the same one returned to original spec? I'm guessing all six created tubs still exist.
The TS-030 is quite a thing when it leaves the pits, very sci-fi.
struttob said:
The Lola Aston Martin DBR1-2 that competed at Le Mans in 2009 and came 4th in class will make its debut at the Shelsley Walsh Hill Climb Aston Martin Centenary event on the 17th and 18th August.
Check it out http://www.shelsley-walsh.co.uk/default.asp
Bob
Dear All,Check it out http://www.shelsley-walsh.co.uk/default.asp
Bob
A little clip of the Astons on their parade lap at Shelsley that I took including the Lola Aston Martin...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiV-5xBZOSI
All the best
David
I have been rebuilding the AMR-One that was at Shelsley Walsh. There were in the end only 4 tubs built I believe, Chassis 1, was car 007 at LeMans, thats the car we have. Car 009 which I presume is chassis number 2, is the Roald Goethe car, which went off to form the Pescarolo car and has since been converted back but is not complete, missing an engine etc. The third chassis became the Deltawing and I believe the 4th tub which also went to them wasn't really a proper race tub but more of a show car tub.
Cheers
James
Cheers
James
Completely up to the owner, but it will rebuilt to running state and then up to him what he decides to do. He has a nice collection of cars himself so imagine it will be part of that, but may well do more 
Amazing the amount of money that was spent originally, such a shame it was a failure as some bits on it are really nicely designed.
Amazing the amount of money that was spent originally, such a shame it was a failure as some bits on it are really nicely designed.
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