Matching numbers
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crankedup

Original Poster:

25,764 posts

272 months

Monday 19th August 2013
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In my world of pre 1930's cars original and matching numbers for chassis/engine/gearbox together with index number are all important. Replacement of these items (for me)devalues the car in both monetary and historical terms. Can my attitude regards this apply to the modern classics of the 1950's era onwards or is it less important? What say you. (Exclude the top end collectors cars)

LordBretSinclair

4,306 posts

206 months

Monday 19th August 2013
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It's certainly a must for DB4s, 5s, 6s to have matching/original numbers.

roscobbc

4,040 posts

271 months

Monday 19th August 2013
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If the car in question is being sold as a 'matching numbers' car then, yes it will attract a price premium or not be devalued pro-rata if not matching - I sometimes think that a non matching numbers car in some respects has its very own attraction in as much as you can then make modifications and improvements without affecting value in the same way as a matching no.s car.

a8hex

5,832 posts

252 months

Monday 19th August 2013
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Certainly makes a difference in the XK world to the values.
Mine isn't. At the moment it has the chassis and body OK, but the engine and gearbox are wrong, but I have the block and gearbox. The head wasn't the right one when I bought the car.

williredale

2,866 posts

181 months

Monday 19th August 2013
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Life further down the classic food chain is much simpler! smile

I've never seen an MGB advertised as a matching numbers car. Mine certainly isn't and it matters not.





Waits for someone to post an ad for a matching numbers B...

LordBretSinclair

4,306 posts

206 months

Monday 19th August 2013
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With an MGB all you need is a pop rivet gun and you can change the numbers at will (excuse the pun Will) rofl

dartissimus

954 posts

203 months

Monday 19th August 2013
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Where do we stand on original registration numbers? Given how many plates are sold off.
I have engine, gearbox, body & chassis numbers all matching, but I think the car is on it's third or fourth number plate. Eventually I might contact Swansea and have a go, but is it really worth it or is it just OCD time wasting.

williredale

2,866 posts

181 months

Monday 19th August 2013
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LordBretSinclair said:
With an MGB all you need is a pop rivet gun and you can change the numbers at will (excuse the pun Will) rofl
It's ok. I don't own a pop rivet gun so you're safe!

Hooli

32,278 posts

229 months

Monday 19th August 2013
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Matters to me. Just because if it's not all the same car it doesn't feel like it's truly got history all the way back IYSWIM.

Jagmanv12

1,573 posts

193 months

Monday 19th August 2013
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It makes a difference on American classics such as Mustangs, Corvettes, etc.

lowdrag

13,183 posts

242 months

Tuesday 20th August 2013
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Whatever happened to retapping the head and block with the correct numbers? wink

mph

2,376 posts

311 months

Tuesday 20th August 2013
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lowdrag said:
Whatever happened to retapping the head and block with the correct numbers? wink
Nothing. It still happens every day smash

Not forgetting changing chassis plates, rebuilding cars using lhd shells, and producing an "original" car from nothing more than a V5 registration document.


exkay

656 posts

217 months

Tuesday 20th August 2013
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I remember in the early 50`s when my dad owned a couple of 120`s one of the cars engines blew up, we went along to the breakers on the Commercial road East London, bought a secondhand engine from another 120 for £50, started putting it in the car outside our house in the street, kerbside, no pit, no garage just an old jack and some chains with a makeshift hoist,he started at 5pm,i helped (i was 6 !) by midnight it was all done, next day we went to Scotland in the car, no matching numbers, just a fab old car with loads more life put back in her.....whats all this matching numbers malarky coming to, it seems to be getting worse,and sadly people are not stopping and thinking, does it really honestly matter ? i personally think not, it does`nt detract the joy of driving one of these fanatstic old cars if it has`nt got the "correct" engine in it, after all they all came from Browns lane whatever sequence of 6 little digits were stamped on the block.
Matching numbers...i think it should all be put to bed.

Edited by exkay on Tuesday 20th August 08:53

Dr Interceptor

8,183 posts

225 months

Tuesday 20th August 2013
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My 1936 Vauxhall is a numbers matching car... biggrin


Riley Blue

23,205 posts

255 months

Tuesday 20th August 2013
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It's what antique dealers call 'provenance' isn't it? The more valuable the item, the more important it is though I can't see that it matters with a car that rolled off a production line in tens or hundreds of thousands.

exkay

656 posts

217 months

Tuesday 20th August 2013
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I just think that its more fun to own and drive these things rather than worry and be paranoid about the fact thats its got the original engine in, after all we dont worry about original tyres and oil, or do they, will they ??

Dr Interceptor

8,183 posts

225 months

Tuesday 20th August 2013
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exkay said:
I just think that its more fun to own and drive these things rather than worry and be paranoid about the fact thats its got the original engine in, after all we dont worry about original tyres and oil, or do they, will they ??
Depends if you're buying a car to own it and drive it, or if you're buying it as an investment... two very different types of 'punter'.

I don't mind either way really, I'd rather buy a better condition classic, than one with more 'provenance', but Dad gets very hung up on it. He's currently on the look out for a Healey 3-litre, but it has to be the 'right' car.

FWDRacer

3,565 posts

253 months

Tuesday 20th August 2013
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Matters to people that own and invest in, rather than drive classic cars. Different blokes, different strokes etc...

9mm

3,128 posts

239 months

Tuesday 20th August 2013
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LordBretSinclair said:
With an MGB all you need is a pop rivet gun and you can change the numbers at will (excuse the pun Will) rofl
But not the Heritage certificate.

exkay

656 posts

217 months

Tuesday 20th August 2013
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Scenario......matching numbers car for sale, needs total resoration, it goes of to the best restorer out there, has all the panels replaced,engine fully rebuilt,new pistons crankshaft ect ect, new interior, new wheels, a brand new car worth lottsa money, heritage cert says "a matching numbers car" must be original then....but is it ???