Resurfacing the road with loose chipping's - The consequence
Resurfacing the road with loose chipping's - The consequence
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giltranator

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347 posts

219 months

Saturday 24th August 2013
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On Thursday, the dual carriageway was resurfaced by my house. Instead of doing the whole road they have done little sections of the road and in the meantime there are no road markings. They have put the signs up advising loose chippings etc and there is an advisory 20mph limit (the road is usually 40-50). I always avoid these roads when they are resurfaced as I don't want to drive a car that looks like a delorean. Having walked past the road after it was done I haven't seen anything like it before. There seemed to be far too many chippings on the road and every time a car drove down it there would be a big dust trail.

Anyway on the Friday everyone in my street was awoken by a massive bang and then a constant horn going off for about 5 minutes. Walked over to see what was going off and a BMW 3 series had managed to lose control about 100 yards from the start of the chippings and hit a tree - to which the driver was instantly killed. Ok so the witness said that the BMW was overtaking a lorry at around 60-70 mph and then lost control on the chippings. So speed did have an influence here but the road is effectively straight and there are never any crashes here ever.

Why are we using this method to resurface our roads? Yes, I suppose it is cheaper but can we really justify that when it makes the roads unsafe?

Just to show you how bad the damage was to the BMW (for example they found the interior mirror 50 yards down the road and they found bits of the car on peoples drives and roofs). RIP.
















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Edited by giltranator on Saturday 24th August 10:27

wemorgan

3,583 posts

209 months

Saturday 24th August 2013
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Many roads in Warwickshire have recently had this treatment. After a week it appears that many of the stones have been flicked to the road's edge.
On the face of it, it fills a few minor road blemishes but reduces the overall road surface quality, at I imagine a significant cost.
I hope the council can show this offers value for money.

ps. sad news about that guy being killed, though from what you say, he could have killed himself any time anywhere with that style of driving.

MysteryLemon

4,968 posts

222 months

Saturday 24th August 2013
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recently did a lot of the roads around here the same. Terrible surface which is an accident waiting to happen. Also quite dangerous for cyclists and motorcyclists who will struggle to grip when cornering.

mikeyr

3,408 posts

224 months

Saturday 24th August 2013
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Sorry to hear about the guy but I'd wait till all the facts are known about speed, etc before determining whether the road surface was the most important factor (not saying it was't, peoples judgements of speeds are usually wrong).

But I will say as an ex biker I found the chipping method pretty scary especially when lane changing where it can take ages for it to settle.

V8RX7

28,982 posts

294 months

Saturday 24th August 2013
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It is a crappy method IMO.

BUT it it was clearly signed then sorry but if you travel 3x faster you have no one else to blame.

Try going 180 in an NSL and you'll have the same result.

James91mr2

103 posts

160 months

Saturday 24th August 2013
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I just get worried im gonna get stone chips on my paintwork! if cars are close the other side of the road the stones can smash into the side of your car

RIP m3 driver x

ridds

8,374 posts

275 months

Saturday 24th August 2013
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Drive according to the conditions.

Unfortunately they didn't and paid the ultimate price.

People look at the "20mph Skid Risk" signs and ignore them. They don't print them up and put them out for the hell of it.

What is the limit? Looks like a 40mph dual carriageway in a residential area to me.

There are many other facts that are completely unknown so hard to blame it on the chippings, drunk, not wearing their glasses, prescription drugs, stolen?

The method is not ideal but after 3/4 weeks the surface is usually better than the slick surface that was present before. The only thing that really grates with me is that it is carried out in the summer. I believe they do this to save money on heating the Bitumen but would like to hear from road contractors that know different.

Do it when it is colder, chuck the chippings on, sweep the following day. Job done.

Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

198 months

Saturday 24th August 2013
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Obviously we don't know the full circumstances, but it is quite unlikely that the driver wasn't driving like a penis. He (we assume) hit that tree pretty hard.

Mave

8,217 posts

246 months

Saturday 24th August 2013
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MysteryLemon said:
recently did a lot of the roads around here the same. Terrible surface which is an accident waiting to happen. Also quite dangerous for cyclists and motorcyclists who will struggle to grip when cornering.
Yep, especially as all the loose stuff tends to get thrown to the outside of the road - so the cycle lanes are deep in the stuff. It's like cycling through mud and tramlining all at the same time frown

littleredrooster

6,416 posts

227 months

Saturday 24th August 2013
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giltranator said:
On Thursday, the dual carriageway was resurfaced by my house...
Your house is very talented. It normally takes a gang of humans.

parabolica

7,024 posts

215 months

Saturday 24th August 2013
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Why is everyone loosing their minds about this method of surface treatment? This has been the norm for the best part of 10-15 years in Scotland and yes it's a PITA for a week or so but it makes the roads less susceptible to potholes/breaking down compared to smooth Tarmac.

Rumple

15,394 posts

182 months

Saturday 24th August 2013
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parabolica said:
Why is everyone loosing their minds about this method of surface treatment? This has been the norm for the best part of 10-15 years in Scotland and yes it's a PITA for a week or so but it makes the roads less susceptible to potholes/breaking down compared to smooth Tarmac.
Its been the norm for as long as I remember, I can remember it being done in the mid seventies and my mums Anglebox having a shattered windscreen as a result, it may be a cheap fix, it my be ste but its sign posted / speed limited and if you crash for driving like a dick then tough titties.

Rumple

15,394 posts

182 months

Saturday 24th August 2013
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Just reread the op's post, how fast on a freshly treated road past residential properties, Darwin method at work there.

HaloGen8

1,413 posts

160 months

Saturday 24th August 2013
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At those speeds it's just dumb in a built up area irrespective of chippings or not. The driver paid the ultimate price for stupidity.

The chipping method is initially a pain until the chips settle but once done provides a surface which has a better 'key' and therefore less skid risk. Cheap but proven.

Hanslow

838 posts

276 months

Saturday 24th August 2013
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Didn't they use steamrollers back in the day to do the initial push of all the stones into the bitumen? Do they still do that as I certainly don't recall seeing one when they resurfaced the roads near me. Seems to be a bit of a slapdash quick surface and move on to the next, possibly the result of cost cutting and having to get through so many so quickly so corners are cut.

I always thought they did them in summer soas not to congest the roads even further as there's a bit of a reprieve with the lack of school traffic.

HaloGen8

1,413 posts

160 months

Saturday 24th August 2013
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It's not meant as a full resurface as in new sub layers and topping which is where the 'steam roller' thing comes from. These chips are a surface dressing to increase skid resistance on a previously 'smooth' road.
Potholes etc are not part of the procedure. It's dressing that's all.

GadgeS3C

4,727 posts

195 months

Saturday 24th August 2013
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Bit inconsistent though isn't it?

Speed cameras, speed bumps, chicanes etc. - " if it saves one life it's worth it".

Cheapo road repairs, potholes - "we don't have the budget to do anything".

WinstonWolf

72,863 posts

270 months

Saturday 24th August 2013
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Hanslow said:
Didn't they use steamrollers back in the day to do the initial push of all the stones into the bitumen? Do they still do that as I certainly don't recall seeing one when they resurfaced the roads near me. Seems to be a bit of a slapdash quick surface and move on to the next, possibly the result of cost cutting and having to get through so many so quickly so corners are cut.

I always thought they did them in summer soas not to congest the roads even further as there's a bit of a reprieve with the lack of school traffic.
Yup, they were always pressed in with a steamroller then the excess was swept away. The current method is lethal if you're on two wheels.

V88Dicky

7,373 posts

214 months

Saturday 24th August 2013
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Are those 'Lexus style' rear lights I see?

That usually means a penis is driving.

Having said that, condolencies to the family.



Papa Hotel

12,760 posts

213 months

Saturday 24th August 2013
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V88Dicky said:
Are those 'Lexus style' rear lights I see?

That usually means a penis is driving.
That's a really stty thing to say.

Anyway, back on topic. I learned my lesson on these stone chippings back in 1998/99. Happily motoring along at about 60 despite clear warnings, I thought I was Bertie Fisher and would have no problems going around the gentle right hander. Then the car started drifting to the outside of the corner, I dabbed the brakes, found I wasn't exactly in control and sort of awkwardly fishtailed from side to side, somehow making it around the corner unscathed.

I treat freshly "resurfaced" roads with a little more respect now.