Auto 'box Kickdown
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aspirated

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2,540 posts

177 months

Thursday 29th August 2013
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Whenever I read about it/it was discussed, it was always made out to be a sort of a 'myth' confused

Picture shows the pedals of a Conti GTV8, I'm assuming the button behind the accelerator pedal initiates Kickdown when you put your foot to the floor?


Superhoop

4,919 posts

224 months

Thursday 29th August 2013
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No, the button in that picture is tio limit pedal travel.

Kickdown is purely a function of throttle position in an auto box

anonymous-user

85 months

Thursday 29th August 2013
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Superhoop said:
No, the button in that picture is tio limit pedal travel.

Kickdown is purely a function of throttle position in an auto box
It certainly used to be a physical switch - the box would have a connection for a kickdown cable. None of my autos are around at the moment but I seem to recall they still have at least the sensation of pushing a little switch down at the bottom of the throttle travel, even if it's actually all done with the throttle position sensor.

SO no, not a myth. Anybody who says or claims kickdown is a myth obviously has no experience whatsoever of driving an automatic. Even stty automatic Yaris's and the like have it.

DonkeyApple

70,822 posts

200 months

Thursday 29th August 2013
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I'm sure that today they are all electronic and measure some parameters and then react accordingly.

Obviously in the days before computers it was mechanical. Now I suspect that there were also differing systems as well.

Certainly some kick downs would always happen once the throttle reached a certain position but others would only occur if you moved the throttle quickly enough to the floor.

I wouldn't have thought that any system would be a visible button though.

MarkK

667 posts

310 months

Thursday 29th August 2013
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My dad's SLK350 auto has a switch behind the accelerator that seems to cause it to kickdown. It's not simply a pedal travel limit as I've taken a close look at it and it's definitely a switch.

He didn't even know he had until he accidentally pressed it one day. It's quite a firm switch so you have to be quite firm on the pedal to activate it.

Looked on a few Merc forums and they all say its a kickdown switch.

BeMo

109 posts

214 months

Thursday 29th August 2013
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There's also a definite kick down "switch" at the end of the pedal travel on our Discovery 3.

Dog Star

17,645 posts

199 months

Thursday 29th August 2013
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Wonder if you could rewire it to a button on top of the gear knob or on the steering wheel and have a Fast and the Furious nitrous boost experience

Vladimir

6,917 posts

189 months

Thursday 29th August 2013
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My dads mate had a Rolls Royce with kickdown. As it used silly fuel in kickdown, he never used it but come sale time, dad knew he'd show it off to a potential buyer.

So he fixed a stink bomb to the back of the throttle pedal. The results contained every swear word ever invented. Tee hee!

aspirated

Original Poster:

2,540 posts

177 months

Thursday 29th August 2013
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Dog Star said:
Wonder if you could rewire it to a button on top of the gear knob or on the steering wheel and have a Fast and the Furious nitrous boost experience
Noooooo....you'll put the manifold in danger! hehe

Riff Raff

5,462 posts

226 months

Thursday 29th August 2013
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The first autos I drove in the 70's and 80's had a sort of switch - there was a detent at the end of the pedal which you had to push through to get the box to kick down.

The more recent autos I've had (BMW and Merc 7G) seem to go down the box if you push the pedal rapidly to anywhere near full throttle, so it's obviously all done with electronic wizardry.

dave_s13

14,031 posts

300 months

Thursday 29th August 2013
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Vladimir said:
My dads mate had a Rolls Royce with kickdown. As it used silly fuel in kickdown, he never used it but come sale time, dad knew he'd show it off to a potential buyer.

So he fixed a stink bomb to the back of the throttle pedal. The results contained every swear word ever invented. Tee hee!
'the fuukc did I just read?

Edit... Just re read and got it.... With friends like your old man who needs enemies!

I read it as though your dad owned the car and sabotaged his own sale.

Edited by dave_s13 on Thursday 29th August 09:28

aspirated

Original Poster:

2,540 posts

177 months

Thursday 29th August 2013
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Vladimir said:
My dads mate had a Rolls Royce with kickdown. As it used silly fuel in kickdown, he never used it but come sale time, dad knew he'd show it off to a potential buyer.

So he fixed a stink bomb to the back of the throttle pedal. The results contained every swear word ever invented. Tee hee!
Your second name isn't Putin is it? rofl


boxedin

Vladimir

6,917 posts

189 months

Thursday 29th August 2013
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dave_s13 said:
'the fuukc did I just read?

Edit... Just re read and got it.... With friends like your old man who needs enemies!

I read it as though your dad owned the car and sabotaged his own sale.

Edited by dave_s13 on Thursday 29th August 09:28
In the mid 80s a prank thing got a bit out of hand. We couldn't go anywhere without expecting our front door to he bricked up or similar! Funny looking back on it though.


balls-out

3,794 posts

262 months

Thursday 29th August 2013
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I think the term kick-down is really best used for the old autos. In these simpler days of 3 speeds, the road speed was the determinant when an autobox would change gear. ie if road speed drops below 25 mph engage 2nd. Kick-down changes the speed, hence causing the box to select a lower gear. ie select 2nd if below 45mph. Kickdown was selected by throttle postion.
Now, some computer will be monitoring hundreds of parameters, to decide which of the which of the seemly dozens of gears to select. for example, ISTR that Porche determined when a driver lifts off the throttle suddenly, its typically for a corner or to slow down, so the autobox keeps the lower gear, rather then change up. When a driver reduces acceleration because he has achieved his desired speed, he lifts off more slowly, so the box changes up.

R1 Indy

4,510 posts

214 months

Thursday 29th August 2013
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My Merc deffinatly has a switch, as you can feel the click, and very noticeable change of revs.

skyrover

12,700 posts

235 months

Thursday 29th August 2013
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solenoid controlled on auto boxes I believe.

I've never driven an auto (and I've driven plenty) where I had to press a switch on the floor to kick-down.

hahithestevieboy

845 posts

245 months

Thursday 29th August 2013
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My X350 xjr is relatively modern and has a kick down switch at the end of the throttle travel. It is quite firm. The car will kick down depending on how you drive it without pressing the switch but no where near as aggressively. If you do use the switch it generally changes down up to 3 gears to near maximum revs. Apparently having the kickdown switched pressed also extends the upper rev limit before a change by 500rpm or so.

In sport mode the use of the kickdown switch is generally not necessary as it is that aggressive pretty much all the time.

shoehorn

686 posts

174 months

Thursday 29th August 2013
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Older boxes c3,c4,4ald,b&w etc. all mechanical kickdown through a cable.
later stuff all electric,usually activated by a pedal switch,either mounted to the floor or the actual throttle pedal electronics etc..

Edited by shoehorn on Thursday 29th August 13:19

shoehorn

686 posts

174 months

Thursday 29th August 2013
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Older boxes c3,c4,4ald,b&w etc. all mechanical kickdown through a cable.
later stuff all electric,usually activated by a pedal switch,either mounted to the floor or the actual throttle pedal electronics etc..

Edited by shoehorn on Thursday 29th August 13:19

Prof Prolapse

16,163 posts

221 months

Thursday 29th August 2013
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How did you think you overtook in an automatic without one?