Scimitar GTC v Stag
Discussion
Similar format,
but glassfibre body on strong chassis v steel monocoque with rust traps
lovely sounding V8 v not so audiolicious V6
Both are 4 speed with Overdrive
Neither particularly fast with about 130bhp
Anyone here ever owned both to compare.
I've always fancied a Stag but the GTC hasa lot of things in its favour.
Tony H
but glassfibre body on strong chassis v steel monocoque with rust traps
lovely sounding V8 v not so audiolicious V6
Both are 4 speed with Overdrive
Neither particularly fast with about 130bhp
Anyone here ever owned both to compare.
I've always fancied a Stag but the GTC hasa lot of things in its favour.
Tony H
GTC slightly more sporting drive.
GTC a bit more "different" - there are a lot of Stags left.
Stags are pretty good for rust really and the GTC's trim and finish isn't very durable, probably easier to find a tidy Stag.
Having said that I'd go for the GTC to be different and consider dropping an Essex V6 in to replace the 2.8, the Essex's torque characteristic suit the weight of the GTC better.
GTC a bit more "different" - there are a lot of Stags left.
Stags are pretty good for rust really and the GTC's trim and finish isn't very durable, probably easier to find a tidy Stag.
Having said that I'd go for the GTC to be different and consider dropping an Essex V6 in to replace the 2.8, the Essex's torque characteristic suit the weight of the GTC better.
I've had both and would choose the GTC every time. It isn't as pretty as the Stag, being a somewhat beefier shape, but it's much more a drivers car. The GTC is a very robust build and has significant tuning and handling improvement potential (if in doubt just have a look at the Scimitar boys sprinting at Curborough). For me it would have to be a manual, the car is very different as an auto. However, many have distinctly rough interiors not helped by the water leaks that often affect the car (and Scimitars in general). Get one with a good body and budget for some trim work, don't worry about the mechanics they're easy to fix, drive it and enjoy it. You won't regret it.
Has anyone put the four-cam 2.9 Cosworth engine yet, that was the only version of the cologne block that had proper development for racing in a an ill fated sports car series, then detuned for the Scorpio. A breakers yard gem of an engine. A GTC would be rather nice with one of those, in fact, any Scimitar would.
How about dropping a TVR S into the mix?
I'd always overlooked them, but found myself buying one recently and have to say, they are an awful lot of fun.
Sounds like a NASCAR car, quick enough with 170 bhp from the Cologne 2.9, the roof comes off, a really nice interior, reasonably rare these days, gets admiring glances everywhere, the noise turns heads everywhere and I picked one up for £3750.
A 24 year old TVR and the clock and lighter still work.
I'd always overlooked them, but found myself buying one recently and have to say, they are an awful lot of fun.
Sounds like a NASCAR car, quick enough with 170 bhp from the Cologne 2.9, the roof comes off, a really nice interior, reasonably rare these days, gets admiring glances everywhere, the noise turns heads everywhere and I picked one up for £3750.
A 24 year old TVR and the clock and lighter still work.
Flatinfourth said:
Surely for the price of a middlebridge car you could have a series two coupe! So cars that come at a sensible price, and have bearable running costs. I think you have to stay on budget, so Stag, Scimitar, TVR S Series, Porsche 944? Well cared for Jaguar XJS 3.6 manual. And...?
That was supposed to read Series two E Type!All very well but I'm getting a bit of hassle about getting a two seater, so looking for a 2+2 or 4 seater drophead and they nearly all only have lap belts in the rear. (Or none).
Stag none or retro fix
GTC - laps Laps only
944/968 - Laps only
Merc SL really only 2 seats and most auto.
If only I had enoug money for a 964!
Stag none or retro fix
GTC - laps Laps only
944/968 - Laps only
Merc SL really only 2 seats and most auto.
If only I had enoug money for a 964!
I have a TVR S Series with a BOA Cosworth 2.9 and it's the most fun that can be had for the money! It was totally rebuilt in 2007 and puts out around 250bhp at the rear wheels. The Cologne engined car had a quoted 0-60 around 7 sec ish at 170bhp, so I think my car must be around 5 seconds, it's very quick. It's simple to work on and to get parts for and looks like a real British sports car for not a lot of pennies!!
Skyedriver said:
All very well but I'm getting a bit of hassle about getting a two seater, so looking for a 2+2 or 4 seater drophead and they nearly all only have lap belts in the rear. (Or none).
Stag none or retro fix
GTC - laps Laps only
944/968 - Laps only
Merc SL really only 2 seats and most auto.
If only I had enoug money for a 964!
Are you getting the hassle because of nippers? I wish I'd got a Stag for that reason, instead of the TR6. Would have avoided a lot of grief and had a lot more use over the last 20-odd years. We had an SE6A for while when No1 daughter was very young. It was strong as you like, but we had to fasten her baby seat in with load straps. Things were thast different only 20 years ago.Stag none or retro fix
GTC - laps Laps only
944/968 - Laps only
Merc SL really only 2 seats and most auto.
If only I had enoug money for a 964!
benjj said:
FYI, the Porsche 924, 944 and 968 all can have 3 point intertia reel belts, not just lap belts.
You sure (guess you would be since you have a '44) but posting the direct question on the Porsche forum brought a resounding "don't thinks so". Does the tonneau not preclude the fitting? Never seen one with more than lap belts in the rear.
Is the fitting by a specialised company or are the fixings in the car already?
Off to look at an old 911 tomorrow as it has 3 point belts. Its out of budget TBH but thought I'd have a look, rear seats in a 911 are quite small.
Was going to look at the grey GTC near the Humber a couple of weeks ago but the colour, the required repaint and the purchase price put me off.
Thought about BMW again but the later ones (E36/E46 M3s) always seem to require expensive repairs bue to complexity compared to the last couple of BMW I've owned which were home serviced.
Finding a 4 seater "drop top" isn't easy.
Edited by Skyedriver on Wednesday 18th September 23:41
Yertis said:
Are you getting the hassle because of nippers? I wish I'd got a Stag for that reason, instead of the TR6. Would have avoided a lot of grief and had a lot more use over the last 20-odd years. We had an SE6A for while when No1 daughter was very young. It was strong as you like, but we had to fasten her baby seat in with load straps. Things were thast different only 20 years ago.
Yes, one son & one dog...Would realy want to go back to TVR, or Lotus possibly, but keep getting advised that we can't all go out in one of them. Most of my driving is on my own BUT there are times when it would be nice to go out in something nice rather than a 200k miles Volvo 940 Estate. Could go cheaper TVR & cheaper BM I suppose but then the front path gets a bit cluterred and there's 2xTax & Insurance.Skyedriver said:
You sure (guess you would be since you have a '44) but posting the direct question on the Porsche forum brought a resounding "don't thinks so". Does the tonneau not preclude the fitting?
Never seen one with more than lap belts in the rear.
Is the fitting by a specialised company or are the fixings in the car already?
Off to look at an old 911 tomorrow as it has 3 point belts. Its out of budget TBH but thought I'd have a look, rear seats in a 911 are quite small.
Was going to look at the grey GTC near the Humber a couple of weeks ago but the colour, the required repaint and the purchase price put me off.
Thought about BMW again but the later ones (E36/E46 M3s) always seem to require expensive repairs bue to complexity compared to the last couple of BMW I've owned which were home serviced.
Finding a 4 seater "drop top" isn't easy.
Peugeoet 504?Never seen one with more than lap belts in the rear.
Is the fitting by a specialised company or are the fixings in the car already?
Off to look at an old 911 tomorrow as it has 3 point belts. Its out of budget TBH but thought I'd have a look, rear seats in a 911 are quite small.
Was going to look at the grey GTC near the Humber a couple of weeks ago but the colour, the required repaint and the purchase price put me off.
Thought about BMW again but the later ones (E36/E46 M3s) always seem to require expensive repairs bue to complexity compared to the last couple of BMW I've owned which were home serviced.
Finding a 4 seater "drop top" isn't easy.
Edited by Skyedriver on Wednesday 18th September 23:41
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