Yet another finance question...
Yet another finance question...
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mrburgen

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3 posts

167 months

Friday 30th August 2013
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Out with some colleagues, all claim to be "petrol-heads" but all have different views on how much to spend on the next car and whether to finance or buy outright.

Here is what has been discussed:

An individual with 2.3m of assets out of which just over 300k is cash, rest is prime location properties with no mortgages. No wife, no kids. single guy in his late 30s, currently earning 250k a year.

Spending 100k to 150k on a nice sports car shouldnt be a problem (at least thats what i think). The other guys are arguing that he shouldnt spend more than 50k.

So we thought we consult you nice people and get your opinions.

Thank you

B

note: Yes we have nothing else to do on a friday night other than talking about cars and money.


RocketScience

6,128 posts

208 months

Friday 30th August 2013
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drink

The Moose

23,705 posts

240 months

Friday 30th August 2013
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How much does he want to spend on a car? That's what he should spend. Simple really.

anonymous-user

85 months

Friday 30th August 2013
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Based on what I have just spent on my new (used) car vs what I earn:

He should not spend more than 30k.

You can consider me to be Mr. Sensible. I'm sure someone will suggest a Veyron shortly!

TB

anonymous-user

85 months

Friday 30th August 2013
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The Moose said:
How much does he want to spend on a car? That's what he should spend. Simple really.
What does he want from a car?

anonymous-user

85 months

Friday 30th August 2013
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Topbox said:
Based on what I have just spent on my new (used) car vs what I earn:

He should not spend more than 30k.

You can consider me to be Mr. Sensible. I'm sure someone will suggest a Veyron shortly!

TB
I'll edit that based on no mortgage and a place to live. I'd say 150k ish but I'm sure he could spend far less and get something awesome.

750turbo

6,164 posts

255 months

Friday 30th August 2013
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mrburgen said:
Out with some colleagues, all claim to be "petrol-heads" but all have different views on how much to spend on the next car and whether to finance or buy outright.

Here is what has been discussed:

An individual with 2.3m of assets out of which just over 300k is cash, rest is prime location properties with no mortgages. No wife, no kids. single guy in his late 30s, currently earning 250k a year.

Spending 100k to 150k on a nice sports car shouldnt be a problem (at least thats what i think). The other guys are arguing that he shouldnt spend more than 50k.

So we thought we consult you nice people and get your opinions.

Thank you

B

note: Yes we have nothing else to do on a friday night other than talking about cars and money.
As usual...

Gaspode

4,167 posts

227 months

Friday 30th August 2013
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Doesn't matter what he's earning, how much is he saving? If he's earning 250k a year and spending 240k a year he can't afford squat. If on the other hand he's saving 50k a year then spending 100k on a car seems reasonable.

The Moose

23,705 posts

240 months

Friday 30th August 2013
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Topbox said:
The Moose said:
How much does he want to spend on a car? That's what he should spend. Simple really.
What does he want from a car?
It's irrelevant really. He's in a good liquid position. He should spend whatever he fancies

anonymous-user

85 months

Friday 30th August 2013
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The Moose said:
Topbox said:
The Moose said:
How much does he want to spend on a car? That's what he should spend. Simple really.
What does he want from a car?
It's irrelevant really. He's in a good liquid position. He should spend whatever he fancies
Not irrelevant in the slightest.

You're saying spend what he wants because he's got loads of cash. Lets say he wants to spend 100k and has no idea what he wants. He spends 100k and buys a 50 year old 3 wheeled banger but because he has the cash that's ok.

He might want a fast car: could spend a million pounds or 100k on equally fast cars.

He might want a convertible: could spend 10k could spend a million.

He might want a great handling car: 3k or a million.

He needs to decide what he wants to achieve and assess different costs.

C8LNJ

2,229 posts

208 months

Friday 30th August 2013
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Business heads will always see to advise against a large frivolous purchase.


funkyrobot

18,789 posts

259 months

Friday 30th August 2013
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Micra k11 with a v8 shoe-horned in.

Justin Case

2,195 posts

165 months

Friday 30th August 2013
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His investment strategy is all wrong, too much tied up in property. He should sell some of the property and invest the proceeds in the stock market, invest some of the £300k in bonds and make sure he takes up his tax-free ISA allowance wink From other threads it would appear that leasing is the best alternative for the top end of the market, so that would be the way to go.

On the other hand as I am poor and bought my car, he would probably do best by ignoring my advice completely and blowing it all on a DB5 smile

Grandfondo

12,241 posts

237 months

Friday 30th August 2013
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Topbox said:
Based on what I have just spent on my new (used) car vs what I earn:

He should not spend more than 30k.

You can consider me to be Mr. Sensible. I'm sure someone will suggest a Veyron shortly!

TB
If that guy should only be driving a £30k car then most people are way over leveraged! wink

Froomee

1,503 posts

200 months

Friday 30th August 2013
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Buy a nice Ferrari 355 and surely it will appreciate over time and will cost running costs alone which will be buttons compared to his earnings.

Or any other modern classic...

CYMR0

3,940 posts

231 months

Saturday 31st August 2013
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Diminishing returns, I'd say...

He can easily afford a £100k car and it won't break him financially if he does.

However if he gets 95% of the pleasure from a £50k car, I can't see how he won't do better from spending that extra £50k on coke, hookers, or turnips for that matter.

I see no reason why he shouldn't start looking for something fast and pleasant like this

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Audi-R8-4-2-Quattro-HIGH...

But if he sees £50k more value in this, then he probably knows his own mind well enough, having got to that position in life, to be trusted.

http://www.audi.co.uk/used-cars/used-car-locator/r...

While I normally argue for newer cars, assuming that this is a low mileage, high performance second car and not a motorway weapon for the daily drive, I'd go for the grey car.

SWoll

22,967 posts

289 months

Saturday 31st August 2013
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Or he could just lease a nice new £80K M5 for £600 a month and not tie up any of his cash reserves in a heavily depreciating asset.

mrburgen

Original Poster:

3 posts

167 months

Saturday 31st August 2013
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SWoll said:
Or he could just lease a nice new £80K M5 for £600 a month and not tie up any of his cash reserves in a heavily depreciating asset.
...Very good point but isn't a big chunk of that £600 interest ? At the end of the lease term he would still owe 40-50k ?

mrburgen

Original Poster:

3 posts

167 months

Saturday 31st August 2013
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Topbox said:
The Moose said:
How much does he want to spend on a car? That's what he should spend. Simple really.
What does he want from a car?
Both relevant questions....

He wants a sports car. Ferrari 599, california, sls, 911 turbo ....are some of the cars he mentioned.

From what I could see, his problem is he doesnt think he is rich enough to spend 100K on a car !

and thats how the discussion started last night. With assets over 2m , you should be ok to spend 100k on a car.

gizlaroc

17,251 posts

255 months

Saturday 31st August 2013
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mrburgen said:
Both relevant questions....

He wants a sports car. Ferrari 599, california, sls, 911 turbo ....are some of the cars he mentioned.

From what I could see, his problem is he doesnt think he is rich enough to spend 100K on a car !

and thats how the discussion started last night. With assets over 2m , you should be ok to spend 100k on a car.
How much are you happy to throw away on a nice car?

Buy a £150k Ferrari and sell it in 3 years for £50k, is he happy to loose £2700 a month? Will he get £2700 worth of enjoyment out of it?