THIS DOCUMENT IS NOT PROOF OF OWNERSHIP.
THIS DOCUMENT IS NOT PROOF OF OWNERSHIP.
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Hoofy

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80,163 posts

313 months

Saturday 31st August 2013
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It says on the V5C I just received.

I thought it was! confused

Who owns my car then?

2 sMoKiN bArReLs

32,039 posts

266 months

Saturday 31st August 2013
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It proves you are the registered keeper, responsible for RFL.

2 sMoKiN bArReLs

32,039 posts

266 months

Saturday 31st August 2013
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What car is it? I'm prepared to claim it if you are worried. hehe

Hoofy

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80,163 posts

313 months

Saturday 31st August 2013
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2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
What car is it? I'm prepared to claim it if you are worried. hehe
hehe

So I'm the keeper but not the owner? So who owns it?

2 sMoKiN bArReLs

32,039 posts

266 months

Saturday 31st August 2013
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Hoofy said:
2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
What car is it? I'm prepared to claim it if you are worried. hehe
hehe

So I'm the keeper but not the owner? So who owns it?
Ownership is proven by other documents, bill of sale etc. The V5 is just to say you are responsible for certain misdemeanors.

Fox-

13,575 posts

277 months

Saturday 31st August 2013
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You own it, but the V5C isn't a documented intended to prove that.

Your purchase invoice proves that.

2 sMoKiN bArReLs

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266 months

Saturday 31st August 2013
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Fox- said:
You own it,
How do you know? He might not wobble

Hoofy

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Saturday 31st August 2013
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Oh. But that invoice is easier to forge! I can't remember the last time I checked for proof of sale, either. eek

And with a private sale, you just write a note "sold as seen" or whatever. So I could steal a Ferrari F40, then write on a piece of paper "sold as seen" and put the victim's name at the bottom? Cool.

GroundEffect

13,864 posts

187 months

Saturday 31st August 2013
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Hoofy said:
Oh. But that invoice is easier to forge! I can't remember the last time I checked for proof of sale, either. eek

And with a private sale, you just write a note "sold as seen" or whatever. So I could steal a Ferrari F40, then write on a piece of paper "sold as seen" and put the victim's name at the bottom? Cool.
It's the same as any physical item's ownership..

JagXJR

1,261 posts

160 months

Saturday 31st August 2013
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Fox- said:
You own it, but the V5C isn't a document intended to prove that.

Your purchase invoice proves that.
Not necessarily the owner.

Our Scenic is in my mates name as he drives it. The bill of sale is in our name, backed up by our bank statement.

The keeper is responsible for the legalities like Road Tax, insurance ect

You should not rely on a V5 to prove ownership of a vehicle, that's why I tend to buy trade rather than private, this potential hassle is largely overcome

Edited by JagXJR on Saturday 31st August 11:51

Hoofy

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Saturday 31st August 2013
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GroundEffect said:
It's the same as any physical item's ownership..
I always thought the V5 was proof of ownership. And houses have deeds.

Fox-

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277 months

Saturday 31st August 2013
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Hoofy said:
I always thought the V5 was proof of ownership. And houses have deeds.
The V5 is not proof of ownership and never has been. For example many people have cars on a PCP. They are named on the V5. The car doesn't belong to them.

Hoofy

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Saturday 31st August 2013
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Fox- said:
The V5 is not proof of ownership and never has been. For example many people have cars on a PCP. They are named on the V5. The car doesn't belong to them.
Oh, right. Never used that facility.

judas

6,249 posts

290 months

Saturday 31st August 2013
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The Government aren't interested in who owns the car, they just want to make sure they know who to send the fines to... wink

Hoofy

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Saturday 31st August 2013
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judas said:
The Government aren't interested in who owns the car, they just want to make sure they know who to send the fines to... wink
PM me your name and address.

Ta.

GoneAnon

1,703 posts

183 months

Saturday 31st August 2013
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Probably even more people have cars on HP with the V5 in their name but the Agreement clearly states the goods aren't yours until you have paid for them.

Do you think the government cares who owns a car? Why would they, and why would they want to provide anything to prove your ownership of a car, but not a TV, or a book, or anything else you buy?

They just want to know who to send their bills to: speeding fines, parking charges, excise duty, lack of SORN/insurance, etc.

ambuletz

11,790 posts

212 months

Saturday 31st August 2013
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I think I'll just write up an invoice that says I bought rowan atkinsons NSX, anyone know his reg? biglaugh

Fox-

13,575 posts

277 months

Saturday 31st August 2013
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ambuletz said:
I think I'll just write up an invoice that says I bought rowan atkinsons NSX, anyone know his reg? biglaugh
Why are people having so much trouble with this?

Do you have a proof of ownership document for your TV? Your computer? Your fridge? Maybe I can write a fake invoice and take ownership of your TV, LOLOLOL etc. Not.

Terminator X

20,961 posts

235 months

Saturday 31st August 2013
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Does pose an interesting dilema though now that the RK is pursued automatically for umpteen different offences. What's to stop me naming my cat on the V5 or indeed some random stranger at a different address?

TX.

Wattsie

1,161 posts

232 months

Saturday 31st August 2013
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Terminator X said:
Does pose an interesting dilema though now that the RK is pursued automatically for umpteen different offences. What's to stop me naming my cat on the V5 or indeed some random stranger at a different address?

TX.
Or your company so you never know who's driving at the time of the offence, for example.

"Yes HMCS Wales, I'm trying to find out who accidentally nailed it past a camera, but the HR department is really slow here, sorry."