Panasonics new 4K LED set launched next week....
Discussion
frank hovis said:
Is there any content for the TV to show off with yet - apart from the Olympic's which I thing the beeb shot in 4k ?
Age old question, but it has a 4k media player built in, so I expect Panasonic might offer something via thatand there's rumours that SKY are playing with 4k at the moment, SKY-Germany is testing 4k at the moment
so that'll probably happen sooner rather than later.
tdm34 said:
frank hovis said:
Is there any content for the TV to show off with yet - apart from the Olympic's which I thing the beeb shot in 4k ?
Age old question, but it has a 4k media player built in, so I expect Panasonic might offer something via thatand there's rumours that SKY are playing with 4k at the moment, SKY-Germany is testing 4k at the moment
so that'll probably happen sooner rather than later.
What is the smallest realistic screen size for viewing 4K in a normal domestic environment?
FlossyThePig said:
tdm34 said:
frank hovis said:
Is there any content for the TV to show off with yet - apart from the Olympic's which I thing the beeb shot in 4k ?
Age old question, but it has a 4k media player built in, so I expect Panasonic might offer something via thatand there's rumours that SKY are playing with 4k at the moment, SKY-Germany is testing 4k at the moment
so that'll probably happen sooner rather than later.
What is the smallest realistic screen size for viewing 4K in a normal domestic environment?
Panasonic TX-P60ZT65 Plasma set, showing a Sony Demo reel BD disc @ 1080p and the Panny walks it.
Personally 4K is just a badge under 70"! completely irrelevant at any size under that imo
rhinochopig said:
Still think HD OLED will offer a better picture - the contrast on small OLED screens is simply stunning. Just need the big manufacturers to crack the manufacturing cost conundrum.
Already issues surfacing with first gen OLED, mainly around panel life more specifically the blue pixelit fades at a higher rate than the red/green ones, but i'm sure they'll sort it out.
But the stumbling block for OLED is price, with the Koreans leading with their 55" models at around £7k
at this moment in time i'd rather have the 60ZT65 at under £4k and trouser the rest and then in about 3 years time i'll look at 3/4th gen OLEDs, interestingly regarding production costs/failure ratios the forthcoming
Sony/Panasonic co-developed 4K OLED sets use an RGB printing method for panel construction and my sources say
that the Pre-production sets are having very low failure rates, which bodes well for the price to drop very
quickly once quantity production starts.
From an LCD / OLED sales point of view, manufacturer's will be relying on consumers buying these 50-70" sets based on the sales pitch being "it's a lot better than 1080p". The reality is, at that screen diagonal, you wont notice the extra resolution. There'll be an increase in colour spectrum, but that's about it.
To fully appreciate UHD, you really need to be North of a 100" diagonal, and have a small(ish) viewing distance. The difference between UHD and 1080p, is nowhere near the difference that was readily visible when we went from SD to 1080p.
It would be the projector market that would benefit most, and with native UHD panel PJ's creeping their way into homes at slowly reducing costs (I'd have thought 2014 will see something to rival Sony's £16k PJ, at a price more palatable to the non cash rich enthusiast).
To fully appreciate UHD, you really need to be North of a 100" diagonal, and have a small(ish) viewing distance. The difference between UHD and 1080p, is nowhere near the difference that was readily visible when we went from SD to 1080p.
It would be the projector market that would benefit most, and with native UHD panel PJ's creeping their way into homes at slowly reducing costs (I'd have thought 2014 will see something to rival Sony's £16k PJ, at a price more palatable to the non cash rich enthusiast).
Here is a chart to show viewing distances verses screen sizes. IMHO for many TV owners they just won't benefit from a 4K screen. However it won't stop the rush to buy them (which is of course what the manufacturers want).
For a 50" screen you'd have to sit under 7' before 4k even starts to become noticeable and well under 5' before the full benefit is seen.
FWIW I have a 2.35:1 projector screen which is the equivalent of a 128" 16:9 diagonal in this chart. Since I sit 11' or so back I'm still in the 'starts to become noticeable' range, yet many visitors consider that it is a huge screen for home use.
What might be of more use is if they increase the colour depth for 4K which might help with banding effects, plus for projector use pixel alignment issues would allow smaller steps (if using whole pixel adjustments) which might result in a sharper image. However, 4K will require a decent lens which is probably what will keep the price higher.
For a 50" screen you'd have to sit under 7' before 4k even starts to become noticeable and well under 5' before the full benefit is seen.
FWIW I have a 2.35:1 projector screen which is the equivalent of a 128" 16:9 diagonal in this chart. Since I sit 11' or so back I'm still in the 'starts to become noticeable' range, yet many visitors consider that it is a huge screen for home use.
What might be of more use is if they increase the colour depth for 4K which might help with banding effects, plus for projector use pixel alignment issues would allow smaller steps (if using whole pixel adjustments) which might result in a sharper image. However, 4K will require a decent lens which is probably what will keep the price higher.
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