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Hi guys, thinking about giving painting a bash as my cars bodywork is pretty crass and will cost a fortune to get sorted professionally.
I've done a bit of reading and am mostly happy with what needs done - I have some spare panels I'm going to try on before I go the whole hog.
The main thing I have questions about is the vast selection of paints. Lacquer, 2k, 3k, clear, acrylic, what does it all mean? I thought it was going to be a simple primer/base coat/lacquer job. Could somebody recommend a type that isn't too expensive, and is easy to use for a first timer. The colour of the car is a dark blue/purple metallic if it makes a difference, but I'm happy to practise with anything to get some experience in.
Also, is a water trap necessary? I've only ever used the compressor with air tools which I oil as needed, so do I need a trap, or can I wait for a warm day?
Many thanks
I've done a bit of reading and am mostly happy with what needs done - I have some spare panels I'm going to try on before I go the whole hog.
The main thing I have questions about is the vast selection of paints. Lacquer, 2k, 3k, clear, acrylic, what does it all mean? I thought it was going to be a simple primer/base coat/lacquer job. Could somebody recommend a type that isn't too expensive, and is easy to use for a first timer. The colour of the car is a dark blue/purple metallic if it makes a difference, but I'm happy to practise with anything to get some experience in.
Also, is a water trap necessary? I've only ever used the compressor with air tools which I oil as needed, so do I need a trap, or can I wait for a warm day?
Many thanks
)A decent mask may do.
It all depends on what you are using and how long for,against the risk to your health etc.
I use to watch the sprayers in my old job paint with just a dust mask on.
Preparation is the key to a decent finish.As its a metallic colour you would need to do a full respray or blend the panels into old paintwork.
It all depends on what you are using and how long for,against the risk to your health etc.
I use to watch the sprayers in my old job paint with just a dust mask on.
Preparation is the key to a decent finish.As its a metallic colour you would need to do a full respray or blend the panels into old paintwork.
Vette said:
Turbofocus said:
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I use to watch the sprayers in my old job paint with just a dust mask on.
Ask how many now suffer from breathing problems! 2K is very dangerous stuff. Don't gamble with your health.I use to watch the sprayers in my old job paint with just a dust mask on.
Cheers
David
Is cellulose still available? I gather it was subject to environmental legislation.
Viperz888 said:
Is there an alternative to 2K? Thats pretty much what the thread was about.
Cellulose, water based and urethane are the three most common "to the public" types - although i believe celly is in a bit of a phase out stage at the moment. Many factory finishes are water based now to comply with VOC regs but a lot of aftermarket sprayers still use 2k. All the above are nowhere near as good as 2k/2 pack in terms of quality of finish (personal opinion) but is generally a trade product these days - although there's nothing stopping the public buying it.
2k, twin pack or or 2 pack (not the rapper) involves adding a hardener to the base coat to cause a chemical reaction to cure it, where as cellulose involves solvent evaporation to dry. As mentioned, both can be extremely nasty to you and those around if proper filtered extraction and breathing apparatus are not used, i believe 2 pack toxins can be also absorbed through the skin...
TL:DR
waterbased paint is safest but a bit naff. 2k is dangerous without protection. Everything else has it's own risks.
source: have used all above privately - not a pro sprayer though by any stretch.
Even if you use a 'safe paint' ie waterbased (which seems to have very good colour matching properties IMHO) then you're going to need to lacquer over the top.
And you won't find many (if any) good quality 'robust' lacquers that don't contain ISO's.
http://www.hse.gov.uk/mvr/bodyshop/isocyanates.htm
And you won't find many (if any) good quality 'robust' lacquers that don't contain ISO's.
http://www.hse.gov.uk/mvr/bodyshop/isocyanates.htm
Edited by Squiggs on Wednesday 4th September 10:20
Sorry OP ... I've tried to give you some useful info ....
.... but I think someone wants to try have a quick go at me - again!
unfortunately!
And with another helpful, well thought out and constructive comment
I'm guessing your trolling snipe is aimed at me.
So what does 'ha' mean?
Come on - let everybody in on the joke!
.... but I think someone wants to try have a quick go at me - again!
JulesB said:
ha
So you're back are you unfortunately! And with another helpful, well thought out and constructive comment
I'm guessing your trolling snipe is aimed at me.
So what does 'ha' mean?
Come on - let everybody in on the joke!
ah good old pistonheads, I honestly don't know another forum where people carry on like this!
Mate he has said "ha" because (and I agree) that the OP as stated doesn't know much about painting and the first comment (yours) is not really helpful. Yes there are thousands of websites and forums he could have been less lazy and read first about paintwork. However I don't think its too much for him to ask for some advice on a forum? So your patronising comment merely infers you know more than him which he in theory admits from the outset. No he doesn't know its not good for peoples health otherwise he wouldn't be asking.
So I ask you this, who is the real troll, one could suggest your statement and the way it was posed was trolling from the outset!?
Mate he has said "ha" because (and I agree) that the OP as stated doesn't know much about painting and the first comment (yours) is not really helpful. Yes there are thousands of websites and forums he could have been less lazy and read first about paintwork. However I don't think its too much for him to ask for some advice on a forum? So your patronising comment merely infers you know more than him which he in theory admits from the outset. No he doesn't know its not good for peoples health otherwise he wouldn't be asking.
So I ask you this, who is the real troll, one could suggest your statement and the way it was posed was trolling from the outset!?
strath44 said:
ps that might be a bit harsh but why couldn't you just have given hime the helpful info from the start!?
I consider suggesting PPE and looking at the health and safety aspects of DIY spraying very helpful.I guess I could of just mentioned what spraying equipment is required without mentioning that he could poison himself ...
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