Graduated filter
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Jez O

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353 posts

255 months

Sunday 1st September 2013
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Got a weekend in north Wales coming up soon and was thinking some coastal shots might be good so may be a good time to invest in some filters. I have a 550d with kit 18-55 lens and have found the kit below which interests me. I have read previous posts about hard edge/ soft edge but am still not sure which to choose. I have a circular polariser and ND filter already.

Anyone have any experience with this, or comments on this kit?

http://www.teamworkphoto.com/hitech-starter-holder...

Thanks, Jez.

Crafty_

14,074 posts

229 months

Sunday 1st September 2013
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My first thought was the 67mm might vignette @ 18mm ?

For that reason it may be best to go for the 85mm size (known as Cokin P). I can just about get away with them on my UWA too without vignetting.

I have the 85mm hitechs, I got soft grads but have seen many prefer hard.

I use a cheapo Cokin plastic holder from premier ink, works fine for me.

GSP

1,965 posts

233 months

Sunday 1st September 2013
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Been looking into this a lot myself recently, I purchased a couple of soft edge graduated p series filters and hand held them just to see if they did what I want.

They worked great, not a lot of movement potential as they are small and square, and very high chance of vignetting with my 10mm lens so the z series kit at £119 will be my next purchase as the filters are larger and the holder massive.

markmullen

15,877 posts

263 months

Sunday 1st September 2013
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If it helps chaps I wrote a blog about using ND grads, http://www.markmullenphotography.co.uk/blog/2013/3...

Jez O

Original Poster:

353 posts

255 months

Sunday 1st September 2013
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markmullen said:
If it helps chaps I wrote a blog about using ND grads, http://www.markmullenphotography.co.uk/blog/2013/3...
Thanks Mark, I'll have a read.

CommanderJameson

22,096 posts

255 months

Monday 2nd September 2013
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I use Hitech 100mm filters - the 85 would be too small on my 10-22mm lens.

No complaints and they've definitely* improved my work.

I use a 0.9 (3 stop) hard and/or a 0.9 soft, depending on how lumpy the horizon is.

*Well, I think so. And so does my mum.

tim-b

1,279 posts

239 months

Monday 2nd September 2013
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The Cokin P series will vignette at wider angles - this example is at 24mm on full frame (I left the vignette in because I liked the retro look it gave!), but I remember my old 30D doing it at about 17-19mm or so. I think there is a specific wide angle cokin holder, don't know how much better that would be though as I've not used it.


Schlossdyck-68 by motion_captured, on Flickr

I hardly ever use filters anymore, for what I do they're a PITA so I'd rather expose somewhere in the middle, pull the highlights back and boost the shadows....and if that looks unfeasible then take 2 shots and compose later. Might shock the pixel-peepers but with today's noise control (both in terms of sensor quality and software) I'm happy enough with the results.

Jez O

Original Poster:

353 posts

255 months

Monday 2nd September 2013
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Thanks for the replies so far folks. So would this be better as the filter size is 84mm:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cokin-H250A-ND-Grad-Kit/dp...



Crafty_

14,074 posts

229 months

Monday 2nd September 2013
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84/85mm is P size.

Thats the holder I have, works well enough for me.

Beware that the cokin filters were/are well known for colour cast problems, worth a google.
That kit also doesn't appear to include an adapter ring, you need to get the right one for your lens.

That holder is about £5/6 worth, look here: http://www.premier-ink.co.uk/photographic/square-f...
also lists adapter rings.
Note they now sell Kood filters too, but I don't know much about them and haven't read any write ups.

For comparison the hitech 3 GND sets are here: http://www.teamworkphoto.com/hitech-grad-filters-c...





Jez O

Original Poster:

353 posts

255 months

Monday 2nd September 2013
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Crafty_ said:
84/85mm is P size.

Thats the holder I have, works well enough for me.

Beware that the cokin filters were/are well known for colour cast problems, worth a google.
That kit also doesn't appear to include an adapter ring, you need to get the right one for your lens.
So the cokin holder and the hitech filters would be a decent combo and would fit each other? I know I'll need a 58mm adapter ring.

Thanks

Crafty_

14,074 posts

229 months

Monday 2nd September 2013
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Yep, thats exactly what I'm using.

Teamworkphoto used to do a set of 3 GNDs and 3NDs, but I can't see it on their site.

Jez O

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353 posts

255 months

Monday 2nd September 2013
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Best get ordering then. Cheers for your help.

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

283 months

Monday 2nd September 2013
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Jez O said:
So the cokin holder and the hitech filters would be a decent combo and would fit each other? I know I'll need a 58mm adapter ring.

Thanks
Yes. Hitech filters are nice.get a 3 filter holder and a wide angle holder

Jez O

Original Poster:

353 posts

255 months

Monday 2nd September 2013
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RobDickinson said:
Yes. Hitech filters are nice.get a 3 filter holder and a wide angle holder
Cheers Rob. Hoping to get back down to NZ when the Lions come touring in 2017, so hope to have gotten used to them by then!!

Jez O

Original Poster:

353 posts

255 months

Monday 2nd September 2013
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I still can't decide on hard or soft edge. I read Mark's blog and it makes more sense to me that full filtration only occurs at the top of the filter so I could still end up with over exposed parts of the sky.

Close to adding this to my basket:

http://www.teamworkphoto.com/hitech-grad-three-fil...

markmullen

15,877 posts

263 months

Monday 2nd September 2013
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Also on a smaller cropped sensor a soft grad is less help.

steveatesh

5,361 posts

193 months

Tuesday 3rd September 2013
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Interesting read as I'm just starting to use filters. My setup is a Nikon D5100 with kit 18-55 lens. I currently have some 52mm ND filters to screw on the lens when I need them.

For clarity, in the comments in this thread which mention an adaptor ring of x mm would that be 52 mm for my kit or is that something else? What exactly would I need to use these slide in filters on my kit - they look so much easier than screwing them on and off like I'm doing now.

Sorry if this is a basic question, just still getting to grips with all the numbers on a modern DSLR and attachments!

Crafty_

14,074 posts

229 months

Tuesday 3rd September 2013
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Yes you'd use a 52mm adapter. The size quoted is the thread size on the front of your lens, so exactly the same as the screw in filters you have already.

You need the adapter ring and a holder, the adapter ring screws to the lens and the flange of it slides/clicks in to the back of the holder, the holder has slots in it that you slide the filter in to.

steveatesh

5,361 posts

193 months

Tuesday 3rd September 2013
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Crafty_ said:
Yes you'd use a 52mm adapter. The size quoted is the thread size on the front of your lens, so exactly the same as the screw in filters you have already.

You need the adapter ring and a holder, the adapter ring screws to the lens and the flange of it slides/clicks in to the back of the holder, the holder has slots in it that you slide the filter in to.
That's thrown just the right amount of light onto it! Cheers, Amazon wish list I think is next web page......

markmullen

15,877 posts

263 months

Tuesday 3rd September 2013
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If you have a look at my blog post it tells you what you need.