Is the 2+2 sports car dead?
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There seems to be a great deal of fast/relatively economical hot hatches appearing (M135i/A45 AMG/etc), as well as the usual super-saloons and 2 seater sports cars (F Type, V8 vantage, etc). Then there's the GTs like the XK, DB9 etc
But if you're looking for a 2+2 sports car, what is there? 911, Evora....
Why don't the manufacturers put these new hatch platforms into something sporty - a Z4 with +2 in the back based on the M135i? an SL with a +2 based on the A45?
Oh balls to it, i am just going to have to buy a 911
But if you're looking for a 2+2 sports car, what is there? 911, Evora....
Why don't the manufacturers put these new hatch platforms into something sporty - a Z4 with +2 in the back based on the M135i? an SL with a +2 based on the A45?
Oh balls to it, i am just going to have to buy a 911
Can you cite some examples of cars of old that fit your criteria?
I only ask as many people would count GT's as sports cars, rightly or wrongly. E.g. a 928 isn't really any more sports car than an XKR is.
So I think these cars still exist. And in other markets; Mustang, Camaro, Challenger... Genesis coupe and some others.
What is more missing is the more compact 2+2 such as the MGB GT or 200SX. But one could argue the s14 200SX was a GT anyhow and the MGB GT was pretty niche.
Regardless there are many FWD based coupes that now fulfil these roles such as Brera, Scirocco and others.
The Japs still offer some such as the GT-R and Infiniti G coupes.
I only ask as many people would count GT's as sports cars, rightly or wrongly. E.g. a 928 isn't really any more sports car than an XKR is.
So I think these cars still exist. And in other markets; Mustang, Camaro, Challenger... Genesis coupe and some others.
What is more missing is the more compact 2+2 such as the MGB GT or 200SX. But one could argue the s14 200SX was a GT anyhow and the MGB GT was pretty niche.
Regardless there are many FWD based coupes that now fulfil these roles such as Brera, Scirocco and others.
The Japs still offer some such as the GT-R and Infiniti G coupes.
As per Harry Metcalfe's column in Evo last month, sports cars aren't selling (I started a thread on this a few weeks ago - the numbers are shocking!). Those manufacturers brave enough to make sports cars are sticking with a low number of models, and the traditional two seater seems to get priority. BMW haven't even made a Z4M this time round, which is very unusual for them and they actually seem to like churning out endless model variations.
I've driven lots of GRP cars and never once, in any single one of them, have I been able to detect even the faintest whiff of glue. 
I've been looking into this as well as I have to replace my Z4M with something that can carry a baby and ideally not move away from sports cars.
The nearest mainstream "sports" car I could find was an Audi TT of all things in addition to GT86 & Evora which is over budget. It's amazing really that with the amount of niches in niches a la X6M etc that there is such limited choices for a good 2+2 sports car.
The nearest mainstream "sports" car I could find was an Audi TT of all things in addition to GT86 & Evora which is over budget. It's amazing really that with the amount of niches in niches a la X6M etc that there is such limited choices for a good 2+2 sports car.
This has been my ideal for ages and there has never been hellish much in that bracket to be honest. The GT86 yeah well it's ok but the looks aren't for everyone and a 4-banger engine doesn't really inspire me to open my wallet.
Ironically - I really, really don't want a Porsche. Nothing against them, but such an obvious choice that it's not for me.
Ironically - I really, really don't want a Porsche. Nothing against them, but such an obvious choice that it's not for me.
pilchardthecat said:
Bennet said:
Evora - Too expensive for most.
GT86 - ruined by an ugly rear end. A great shame IMO.
Evora - smells of glue, bit nervous about using it as a daily @ 15k/yearGT86 - ruined by an ugly rear end. A great shame IMO.
GT87 - too slow.... requirement is it be at least as fast as my current car (Z4M)
Alex said:
Not that much. Stronger engine and acceptable fuel economy, I suppose.
Actually on that note, how does it differ from the GT86?Lets face it, to make an S2k a 2+2 you'd have to make it a little longer and little heavier. Ok it has slightly more power than the GT86, but not a massive amount. But by the time you'd added in the +2 seating and chassis mods you'd probably end up at a very similar power to weight as the GT86 is anyhow.
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