Numpties that dont know the 'basic' Speed Limit
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Following a guy this afternoon South on the A1 into London. This part of the road is in a National speed limit, clearly signed and the road itself is 3 lanes wide.
Im a safe distance behind in lane 3 travelling at 70mph and the road was moderately busy.
As we approach the fixed speed camera (straight road and clearly visible), he locks up with lots of smoke........luckily he didnt cause an Accident.
Before anyone says anything about the Camera itself...its obvious that this person wasnt concentrating/didnt know the basic speed limit and has panicked upon seeing the Camera.
He was very lucky...next time im sure he wont be.
Im a safe distance behind in lane 3 travelling at 70mph and the road was moderately busy.
As we approach the fixed speed camera (straight road and clearly visible), he locks up with lots of smoke........luckily he didnt cause an Accident.
Before anyone says anything about the Camera itself...its obvious that this person wasnt concentrating/didnt know the basic speed limit and has panicked upon seeing the Camera.
He was very lucky...next time im sure he wont be.
k are they allowed to pilot a motor vehicle. Tonyrec said:
Following a guy this afternoon South on the A1 into London. This part of the road is in a National speed limit, clearly signed and the road itself is 3 lanes wide.
Im a safe distance behind in lane 3 travelling at 70mph and the road was moderately busy.
As we approach the fixed speed camera (straight road and clearly visible), he locks up with lots of smoke........luckily he didnt cause an Accident.
Before anyone says anything about the Camera itself...its obvious that this person wasnt concentrating/didnt know the basic speed limit and has panicked upon seeing the Camera.
He was very lucky...next time im sure he wont be.
OK a numpty! Have we created this numpty though
? Because that 
is the very kind of conditioning we are creating in response to any scamera. You see this a lot in Lancs - perhaps this is where he originates - NSL roads are NSL one minute, downgraded the next and new scam appears sooner or later. You say he was not concentrating? Well - concentrating enough to spot the scam - maybe he knew the speed limit - then saw the scam and just freaked out : "scam - slow - 30 mph only..."
Maybe have just outlined a most extreme reaction from a right numpty - but then - I have seen some very odd behaviour up here around the proliferation of scams.
Maybe even - he has been the unlucky recipient of a NIP and sees scam as "Whoa! Slow Slow!" This is also what is happening on our roads.
Not my idea of creating safe environment
Were you on duty - Tony? You could have had a word as it was obviously dangerous to find out why he panicked like that. ....You could even have recommended a decet driving school
Or put him forward for a DIS ...? edc said:
What it shows most to me is that the driver's observation and awareness and probably concentration were sadly lacking
Quite, but it proves that trying to catch drivers for driving at a certain speed is not the route to accident reduction. Speed has got nothing to do with it, so cut the obsession with speed control. Get to the Route cause and that's poor drivers - strengthen the test.
cuneus said:
What it shows most to me is that the driver's observation and awareness and probably concentration were sadly lacking
and cameras will change that ?
If you say so, but that's not what I said or implied.
No driving test or course is going to make up for somebody who doesn't concentrate. I'm sure on another day the driver could have been much more observant.
Tonyrec said:
Before anyone says anything about the Camera itself...its obvious that this person wasnt concentrating/didnt know the basic speed limit and has panicked upon seeing the Camera.
Tony what does basic speed limit mean?
Are you saying it was an A road 3 lanes barrier and so on so therefore is should be NSL?
Granted he didn't know what the speed limit was, should pay more attention. But take the A40, Uxbridge going East, Gatso on the top of the hill just after Swakleys Roundabout, NSL often cars slam the brakes on thinking it might be a 50...... Greenford Outside B&Q, Cars trundle through there at 70, flash flash. This is the same road same quality build but is no longer NSL.
towman said:
Obviously a plank, but if he did cause an accident, he would be blameless! (Safe distance etc etc). Panic braking for a camera is no different to panic braking for a child/wild animal(same thing in our house!)in the road.
Steve
People have been prosecuted for Driving without due care, or driving without reasonable consideration for other road users, for rapid and pointless decelleration..
Only last month, I put a prosecution file in for a driver who had caused a shunt by slamming his brakes on to read a road direction sign..
Street
edc said:How does it do that? He observed the camera. He didn't observe a limit sign. Do you now that there was a reduced limit that he should have observed but failed to? If not, how could he know that there wasn't one? Even if he'd just passed a higher limit sign, how could he know that he hadn't (understandably) missed a subsequent lowered one (hidden, missing...)? Or even that the camera wasn't malfunctioning or mis-set?
What it shows most to me is that the driver's observation and awareness and probably concentration were sadly lacking
diesel ed said:
edc said:
What it shows most to me is that the driver's observation and awareness and probably concentration were sadly lacking
How does it do that? He observed the camera. He didn't observe a limit sign. Do you now that there was a reduced limit that he should have observed but failed to? If not, how could he know that there wasn't one? Even if he'd just passed a higher limit sign, how could he know that he hadn't (understandably) missed a subsequent lowered one (hidden, missing...)? Or even that the camera wasn't malfunctioning or mis-set?
Perhaps to reduc incidences of this, repeater speed limit signs (the little ones) should be posted 10yards before cameras.
Steve
>> Edited by towman on Sunday 24th October 17:36
Streetcop said:
People have been prosecuted for Driving without due care, or driving without reasonable consideration for other road users, for rapid and pointless decelleration..
Only last month, I put a prosecution file in for a driver who had caused a shunt by slamming his brakes on to read a road direction sign..
Street
So if I stuff into someone who doesn`t believe in "Mirror , Signal , Manoeuvre" I`m OK?
towman said:
People have been prosecuted for Driving without due care, or driving without reasonable consideration for other road users, for rapid and pointless decelleration..
Only last month, I put a prosecution file in for a driver who had caused a shunt by slamming his brakes on to read a road direction sign..
Street
So if I stuff into someone who doesn`t believe in "Mirror , Signal , Manoeuvre" I`m OK?
Nah..you'll both 'get it'...
Street
diesel ed said:
What it shows most to me is that the driver's observation and awareness and probably concentration were sadly lacking
How does it do that? He observed the camera. He didn't observe a limit sign. Do you now that there was a reduced limit that he should have observed but failed to? If not, how could he know that there wasn't one? Even if he'd just passed a higher limit sign, how could he know that he hadn't (understandably) missed a subsequent lowered one (hidden, missing...)? Or even that the camera wasn't malfunctioning or mis-set?
It is a National speed limit of 70mph.
From where i was observing, he clearly didnt see the sign which is visible from about half a mile away.
By him slamming on his brakes it shows that he was driving in thumb up bum mode.
Some people are.........well, lets just say that i wouldnt trust them to drive a car with no wheels thats on axle stands.
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