RE: KTM X-Bow: Spotted
Thursday 5th September 2013

KTM X-Bow: Spotted

Some speculative tyre kicking of just one of the cars this new Zenos thing is going to have to take on



Hopefully by now you'll have read about the new Zenos E10 ex-Caterham man Ansar Ali is soon to bring to the market.

Pricing will be crucial, and revealed in due course, but in terms of competition the Zenos is going to have to prove itself against some very fierce rivals. Ones with established niches in the small but vibrant lightweight, roofless track/road car field.

Still pricey but a big saving off a new one
Still pricey but a big saving off a new one
If you can't wait for the Zenos what's knocking about to tempt you? And, more importantly, what are you going to be paying?

Well, a £34K 2008 KTM X-Bow caught our eye, this being a healthy saving off the £50K R that's the entry level to the current range. This one's only covered 8,000-odd miles too and has been upgraded from the initial 240hp to a claimed 320hp with a little tickle from ABT to the turbocharged Audi engine. It's also got a different exhaust - claimed to sound better while not busting track day noise limits - and a few other attractive sounding tweaks that close the gap between it and the 300hp R you could buy new. And if the Zenos' recycled carbon sounds a bit too bargain basement for you the KTM's is much more arty in its appearance.

Other alternatives? Well, Lotus 2-Elevens are a little bit cheaper with this 260hp SVA'd example up for £27K and smart in its decal-free red paint.

Mind you, if you're going to do the windswept look properly you may as well go all the way with an Ariel Atom. You're back up into the mid-30s for a normally aspirated Atom 3 like this one, though the windscreen is a bit of a cheat and you'll still be getting gusts up your trouser legs.

Caterhams in this vein are thin on the ground but there's a homebrew Duratec R500, upgraded from R400 spec, for just under £30K and a sequential equipped K-Series one for similar money here.

Some sharkpool for the Zenos to be plunging into then. We'll be watching with interest how it develops...


KTM X-BOW (SPEC FOR STANDARD CAR)
Engine:
1,984cc 4-cyl turbo
Transmission: 6-speed manual
Power (hp): 240@6,300rpm
Torque (lb ft): 229@3,300rpm
MPG: c. 34 (NEDC combined)
CO2: 189g/km
First registered: 2008
Recorded mileage: 8,058
Price new: c. £45,000
Yours for: £34,000

See the original ad here.


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cybersimon

Original Poster:

203 posts

199 months

Thursday 5th September 2013
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The link to the 2eleven goes all 404 on me. Very pretty.

Dan Trent

1,866 posts

198 months

Thursday 5th September 2013
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cybersimon said:
The link to the 2eleven goes all 404 on me. Very pretty.
Thanks for tip off. Should work now...

Thanks!

Dan

Zumbruk

7,848 posts

290 months

Thursday 5th September 2013
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The insurer of my Westfield said he wouldn't cover X-Bows, due to them having to be returned to KTM in Austria for bodywork repairs...

Vee12V

1,410 posts

190 months

Thursday 5th September 2013
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Not in a million years. Much rather have a Two/Eleven or Caterham.

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

276 months

Thursday 5th September 2013
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I love the theory of X-Bow but would never buy a car without a windshield and at least some sort of roof.

FTW

548 posts

206 months

Thursday 5th September 2013
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Garlick

40,601 posts

270 months

Thursday 5th September 2013
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Capable, exciting (visually at least) cars. I've enjoyed my drives in them over the years. But! None of them has yet managed to reciprocate the feeling I got when I took a drive in an Atom for the first time. A memory that I have never managed to erase.

Good (well, great) cars the X-Bow, look awesome too, but a little too 'protected' from the elements and quiet (relatively) to take on the mighty Atom. IMO. Odd that a car like this can appear quite dull to drive at times.

Siscar

6,315 posts

159 months

Thursday 5th September 2013
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I've never driven one but I've been really unimpressed by ones I've seen on track days, moving obstacles. Of course they could have been being badly driven but compared to a caterham they look big and cumbersome.

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

226 months

Thursday 5th September 2013
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it's a very interesting little group the £25-30k track car specials fall into.

i can't help thinking i'd end up buying something with a roof that i could tour in but i love the fact you can (& people do) buy these special little things.

think i'd prefer this to an atom, caterham or 211 mind.

proper little piece of exotica smile

FTW

548 posts

206 months

Thursday 5th September 2013
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Michael77

71 posts

184 months

Thursday 5th September 2013
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Bike engined Westfield XTR2 for £15k?

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/w...

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

276 months

Thursday 5th September 2013
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22rgt B Squadron

339 posts

167 months

Thursday 5th September 2013
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Amirhussain

11,653 posts

193 months

Thursday 5th September 2013
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Looks mad, would love to own one.

22rgt B Squadron

339 posts

167 months

Thursday 5th September 2013
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SpeckledJim

34,335 posts

283 months

Thursday 5th September 2013
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22rgt B Squadron said:
All the wannabe 'track day' heroes will also talk to you about 'heel and toeing', understeer amd oversteer and other associated bullst not remotely applicable to someone who just buys a car for road use and is more interested in general practicalities. These 'heroes' will usually also talk about LeMans and 'The Ring' of which they have been to neither and generally will not even have a pot to p1ss in.
Just take no notice and do your own thing..
Smoke me a kipper...

Amizade

313 posts

255 months

Friday 6th September 2013
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Zumbruk said:
The insurer of my Westfield said he wouldn't cover X-Bows, due to them having to be returned to KTM in Austria for bodywork repairs...
Ouch !

The above sounds unlikely to me - there are UK specialists for X-bows, who can carry out bodywork repairs. Knowing the cost of repairs (even when done in the UK) is the more likely explanation why Insurers aren't too keen on X-bows. That said 2-Elevens are also relatively expensive to repair, compared to a Caterham, where a small nerf is only going to cost a cycle wing @ £180 for a pair in carbon!

Zumbruk

7,848 posts

290 months

Friday 6th September 2013
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22rgt B Squadron said:
All the wannabe 'track day' heroes will also talk to you about 'heel and toeing', understeer amd oversteer and other associated bullst not remotely applicable to someone who just buys a car for road use and is more interested in general practicalities
Practicalities? In an X-Bow/Caterham/2-11???

You, Sir, are an utter pillock.


Zumbruk

7,848 posts

290 months

Friday 6th September 2013
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Amizade said:
Zumbruk said:
The insurer of my Westfield said he wouldn't cover X-Bows, due to them having to be returned to KTM in Austria for bodywork repairs...
Ouch !

The above sounds unlikely to me - there are UK specialists for X-bows, who can carry out bodywork repairs. Knowing the cost of repairs (even when done in the UK) is the more likely explanation why Insurers aren't too keen on X-bows. That said 2-Elevens are also relatively expensive to repair, compared to a Caterham, where a small nerf is only going to cost a cycle wing @ £180 for a pair in carbon!
Dunno, I'm just quoting my insurers. An X-Bow was way beyond my budget at the time, but now that my inheritance is creeping towards me, I may re-consider, although I'm rather taken with the idea of an Atom at the moment.

raj_uk

57 posts

237 months

Friday 25th October 2013
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FTW said:
Funny that, never happened to us.

I love the Xbow bashing on PH.
+1 on the bashing ... LOL

I'll just ignore the hate and drive mine

I don't even mind the rain with the right gear on

my 4 year old loves being dropped off at nursery in it

smile