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kers off. They won't do it again Can't see any issues to be honest. Cyclists riding two abreast is fine if you think about it with some logic though I appreciate given some of the responses so far that's going to be a challenge...
It reduces the time cars have to spend over taking whilst in the incoming traffic lane, it means the car can't go for a cheeky overtake whilst a car is coming towards him thus squeezing the cyclists into the gutter, the Highway Code suggests that overtaking cars give all traffic the same space whilst overtaking so a car should give a cyclist the same space as a car, ie cross over into the oncoming vehicle lane. Why should their lives be at risk just so you can get home a bit quicker?
I assume that you have coaches that hold you up on the twisty single carriageways too. How many of them pull over to let the queue behind through?
The cyclist on the right should drop back to let the cars through when they realise they have traffic behind them but they've probably been doing that all day.... I don't get how two people enjoying the weekend in the fresh air in stunning scenery adding a minute or two on to everyone's journey time causes so much anger in this Country!
As for the Astra, doesn't seem like the best place to overtake, he'd be better dropping back and gunning it rather than pulling out then accelerating. Drop back and commit, don't fanny around on roads like that!
It reduces the time cars have to spend over taking whilst in the incoming traffic lane, it means the car can't go for a cheeky overtake whilst a car is coming towards him thus squeezing the cyclists into the gutter, the Highway Code suggests that overtaking cars give all traffic the same space whilst overtaking so a car should give a cyclist the same space as a car, ie cross over into the oncoming vehicle lane. Why should their lives be at risk just so you can get home a bit quicker?
I assume that you have coaches that hold you up on the twisty single carriageways too. How many of them pull over to let the queue behind through?
The cyclist on the right should drop back to let the cars through when they realise they have traffic behind them but they've probably been doing that all day.... I don't get how two people enjoying the weekend in the fresh air in stunning scenery adding a minute or two on to everyone's journey time causes so much anger in this Country!
As for the Astra, doesn't seem like the best place to overtake, he'd be better dropping back and gunning it rather than pulling out then accelerating. Drop back and commit, don't fanny around on roads like that!
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 7th September 17:07
Regarding the cyclists, yes they are pretty selfish, blocking the road like that, especially if the road has a lot of blind bends, on the other hand, from their point of view I suppose it is nice to have a chat to each other as they ride along.
The car driver should wait till he either gets to a straight bit of road or a right hand bend where he can get a better view of the road ahead.
The car driver should wait till he either gets to a straight bit of road or a right hand bend where he can get a better view of the road ahead.
vrooom said:
If that silver car were me, I would plow straight though the cyclist and despose thier bodies in grassy verge... and use 17 mile straight to get away from scene quickly.
If I were you I'd stop masturbating to repeats of Top Gear on Dave and read the first post properly... Riding two abreast like that is legal on a two way B road and the HC says it's ok, but to be honest I'd never do it cause it just causes an unecessary blockage - they're being selfish. Plenty do it, but as a keen driver and cyclist that's my view - I always ride inline when out with others. That aside though, the safety of overtaking in that pic entirely relies on what the car driver can see, and we can't know that without a photo of his view. I would only overtake with enough vision to allow the overtaking manouvre to finish before a 90mph biker coming the other way, spotted at the point of commitment to the pass, would reach you.
Edited by RobM77 on Saturday 7th September 17:21
Reasonable positioning by the car driver to get a good (or as good as possible) line of sight through the bend. Hard to say how genuinely safe it is without knowing a) the lay of the land further round the bend and b) the car's speed.
I'm a bit ambivalent to the cyclists. Two-abreast does dominate the road space, but I alway feel using a bike and the body on it to force cars to do something is like using a cricket bat to deflect a meteor.
Curiously enough motorbikes have a totally different approach whereby they go with the attitude that you have to keep yourself safe, and not "force" anyone else to do anything. It just doesn't work and the laws of physics WILL win....the real world version of David versus Goliath.
'Course then there's the age-old issue of cyclists suggesting they simply want equality for all road users which in reality equates to "ban everyone not on a bike, or at the very least make life difficult for them"
I'm a bit ambivalent to the cyclists. Two-abreast does dominate the road space, but I alway feel using a bike and the body on it to force cars to do something is like using a cricket bat to deflect a meteor.
Curiously enough motorbikes have a totally different approach whereby they go with the attitude that you have to keep yourself safe, and not "force" anyone else to do anything. It just doesn't work and the laws of physics WILL win....the real world version of David versus Goliath.
'Course then there's the age-old issue of cyclists suggesting they simply want equality for all road users which in reality equates to "ban everyone not on a bike, or at the very least make life difficult for them"
jonnM said:
vrooom said:
If that silver car were me, I would plow straight though the cyclist and despose thier bodies in grassy verge... and use 17 mile straight to get away from scene quickly.
So you'd murder someone because of their road position?
GetCarter said:
I was interested to hear what people thought about both 
The camera image doesn't give enough info to comment on the driver, and lack of knowledge of the general road layout precludes criticising the cyclist, too.If I were to take prompt from what I perceive is your point, I'd say the cyclists are potentially being selfish and the driver is overtaking in an inappropriate location.
Right, last post on the subject... Promise!
Riding two abreast also allows the motorist to overtake the group of cyclists quicker as there is less distance between the front and rear of the group (about half!!). This means that the motorist is past the group in less time, spending less time on the other side of the road and along side the group of cyclists and therefore safer all round. So presuming that the car needs to give the cyclists the same space as another car when overtaking, there being one or two lines shouldn't matter in terms of distance needed to pull out to the right but two lines decreases the distance for which the car is performing the overtaking manoeuvre and therefore the time which to complete it making it safer all round.
For those that cannot understand this, here is an illustration:
http://ukcyclelaws.blogspot.co.uk/p/the-laws-accor...
Riding two abreast also allows the motorist to overtake the group of cyclists quicker as there is less distance between the front and rear of the group (about half!!). This means that the motorist is past the group in less time, spending less time on the other side of the road and along side the group of cyclists and therefore safer all round. So presuming that the car needs to give the cyclists the same space as another car when overtaking, there being one or two lines shouldn't matter in terms of distance needed to pull out to the right but two lines decreases the distance for which the car is performing the overtaking manoeuvre and therefore the time which to complete it making it safer all round.
For those that cannot understand this, here is an illustration:
http://ukcyclelaws.blogspot.co.uk/p/the-laws-accor...
Timely thread - nearly crashed because of a moron overtaking a pair of bikes on a blind bend this morning.
IMO it seems cycling had suddenly become a lot more popular and a lot of drivers are simply too thick to drive with them on the road. I predict a lot more deaths/injuries in the near future.
IMO it seems cycling had suddenly become a lot more popular and a lot of drivers are simply too thick to drive with them on the road. I predict a lot more deaths/injuries in the near future.
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