Rev range 4 and hours .. again
Rev range 4 and hours .. again
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Beaver

Original Poster:

1,047 posts

313 months

Thursday 12th September 2013
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Bear with me - I have searched previous posts on the issue of rev range data but need to make a quick decision.

Buying a 997 Turbo, have put through 111 point check for peace of mind. OPC have come back to me today with one incident of over rev in range 4, I think they said about 1060 hours total engine running.

Is one incident in 4 worthy of a compression test?
..and what does the hours in relation to miles signify?

thanks

purpleperil

1,226 posts

313 months

Thursday 12th September 2013
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One incident as in one ignition? If the latter then the OPC should have told you that that is an error. Apparently they have guidance from Germany to say this - or so I was told by my OPC only last week!

sidicks

25,218 posts

250 months

Thursday 12th September 2013
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purpleperil said:
One incident as in one ignition? If the latter then the OPC should have told you that that is an error. Apparently they have guidance from Germany to say this - or so I was told by my OPC only last week!
Just 1 incident is obviously an error. I'd get something in writing to this effect from the OPC.

steve singh

3,995 posts

202 months

Thursday 12th September 2013
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purpleperil said:
One incident as in one ignition? If the latter then the OPC should have told you that that is an error. Apparently they have guidance from Germany to say this - or so I was told by my OPC only last week!
Only when selling.

When it comes to claiming then it's not an error.

sidicks

25,218 posts

250 months

Thursday 12th September 2013
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steve singh said:
Only when selling.

When it comes to claiming then it's not an error.
Which is sort of my point....!

Beaver

Original Poster:

1,047 posts

313 months

Thursday 12th September 2013
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Just double checked and washed my ears out.

It's 268 ignitions, in the last 4 engine hours.
Nothing in ranges 5 and 6.

I can get the compression test done to prove all ok, but extending warranty in March next year (when the current warranty expires) means another test.

And of course if something big goes wrong before March I'd have to get another test done.

Any thoughts?

sidicks

25,218 posts

250 months

Thursday 12th September 2013
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Beaver said:
Just double checked and washed my ears out.

It's 268 ignitions, in the last 4 engine hours.
Nothing in ranges 5 and 6.

I can get the compression test done to prove all ok, but extending warranty in March next year (when the current warranty expires) means another test.

And of course if something big goes wrong before March I'd have to get another test done.

Any thoughts?
In range 4?

Personally, I'd be tempted to find another car

Beaver

Original Poster:

1,047 posts

313 months

Thursday 12th September 2013
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Yes, in range 4.
If I get the test done now won't that prove it's OK?

TheDeadPrussian

879 posts

246 months

Thursday 12th September 2013
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The OPC will not put a warranty on anything with over-rev incidents in Range 3 or above – so no chance of a Porsche warranty in Range 4. Compression test or not.
They can technically ask Porsche GmbH to authorise an official warranty for a car with incidents in Rev Range 3 after a compression test – but I am told they never do this.

steve singh

3,995 posts

202 months

Thursday 12th September 2013
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Just find a different car - plenty out there.

Someone on this forum had their 997 turbo engine blow up and OPC refused to cover based on rev ranges - have a search.

burwoodman

18,718 posts

275 months

Thursday 12th September 2013
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Added- there is also evidence (2 months ago on PH) of Porsche rejecting claims for engine failure under an approved extended warranty due to over revs i.e even if they do take your money for a warranty they can and will reject any claim for engine failure.

This was something like £20k in damage rejected

Find another car!

burwoodman

18,718 posts

275 months

Thursday 12th September 2013
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beaten to it!

Tom 911V

96 posts

169 months

Thursday 12th September 2013
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TheDeadPrussian said:
The OPC will not put a warranty on anything with over-rev incidents in Range 3 or above – so no chance of a Porsche warranty in Range 4. Compression test or not.
They can technically ask Porsche GmbH to authorise an official warranty for a car with incidents in Rev Range 3 after a compression test – but I am told they never do this.
This is absolutely not the case. A car can still have an extended warranty with ignitions all the way up to Rev Range 6 provided said ignitions occurred more than 200 operating hours ago and provided the car passes the obligatory tests laid out my the underwriter.

Seemingly the rules are ever changing and the above currently applies.

Tom 911virgin

sidicks

25,218 posts

250 months

Thursday 12th September 2013
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TheDeadPrussian said:
The OPC will not put a warranty on anything with over-rev incidents in Range 3 or above – so no chance of a Porsche warranty in Range 4. Compression test or not.
They can technically ask Porsche GmbH to authorise an official warranty for a car with incidents in Rev Range 3 after a compression test – but I am told they never do this.
Not true.

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

273 months

Thursday 12th September 2013
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I'd be more concerned about it being 4 operating hours ago than the incident per se. If there's been some serious damage, one would think it would manifest itself within a few hundred miles or so. 4 OH is only around 100 to 200 miles ago isn't it?

TheDeadPrussian

879 posts

246 months

Thursday 12th September 2013
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Tom 911V said:
TheDeadPrussian said:
The OPC will not put a warranty on anything with over-rev incidents in Range 3 or above – so no chance of a Porsche warranty in Range 4. Compression test or not.
They can technically ask Porsche GmbH to authorise an official warranty for a car with incidents in Rev Range 3 after a compression test – but I am told they never do this.
This is absolutely not the case. A car can still have an extended warranty with ignitions all the way up to Rev Range 6 provided said ignitions occurred more than 200 operating hours ago and provided the car passes the obligatory tests laid out my the underwriter.

Seemingly the rules are ever changing and the above currently applies.

Tom 911virgin
Understood - but I was talking about not an extended warranty but an OPC (Porsche backed and underwritten) warranty on a car sold as an 'approved used car' via an OPC. I may be out of date, but this was how it was explained to me the last time I asked...

purpleperil

1,226 posts

313 months

Thursday 12th September 2013
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Tom 911V said:
This is absolutely not the case. A car can still have an extended warranty with ignitions all the way up to Rev Range 6 provided said ignitions occurred more than 200 operating hours ago and provided the car passes the obligatory tests laid out my the underwriter.

Seemingly the rules are ever changing and the above currently applies.

Tom 911virgin
And to add - they won't even ask for any tests if the recordings are obviously erroneous - i.e. single digit!

996GT2

2,649 posts

239 months

Thursday 12th September 2013
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TheDeadPrussian said:
Tom 911V said:
TheDeadPrussian said:
The OPC will not put a warranty on anything with over-rev incidents in Range 3 or above – so no chance of a Porsche warranty in Range 4. Compression test or not.
They can technically ask Porsche GmbH to authorise an official warranty for a car with incidents in Rev Range 3 after a compression test – but I am told they never do this.
This is absolutely not the case. A car can still have an extended warranty with ignitions all the way up to Rev Range 6 provided said ignitions occurred more than 200 operating hours ago and provided the car passes the obligatory tests laid out my the underwriter.

Seemingly the rules are ever changing and the above currently applies.

Tom 911virgin
Understood - but I was talking about not an extended warranty but an OPC (Porsche backed and underwritten) warranty on a car sold as an 'approved used car' via an OPC. I may be out of date, but this was how it was explained to me the last time I asked...
Extended warranty is the name of the OPC warranty after the initial manufacturer warranty expires.

The above about Porsche not being able to warranty cars with RR3 is also totally incorrect in my experience.


TheDeadPrussian

879 posts

246 months

Thursday 12th September 2013
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996GT2 said:
TheDeadPrussian said:
Tom 911V said:
TheDeadPrussian said:
The OPC will not put a warranty on anything with over-rev incidents in Range 3 or above – so no chance of a Porsche warranty in Range 4. Compression test or not.
They can technically ask Porsche GmbH to authorise an official warranty for a car with incidents in Rev Range 3 after a compression test – but I am told they never do this.
This is absolutely not the case. A car can still have an extended warranty with ignitions all the way up to Rev Range 6 provided said ignitions occurred more than 200 operating hours ago and provided the car passes the obligatory tests laid out my the underwriter.

Seemingly the rules are ever changing and the above currently applies.

Tom 911virgin
Understood - but I was talking about not an extended warranty but an OPC (Porsche backed and underwritten) warranty on a car sold as an 'approved used car' via an OPC. I may be out of date, but this was how it was explained to me the last time I asked...
Extended warranty is the name of the OPC warranty after the initial manufacturer warranty expires.

The above about Porsche not being able to warranty cars with RR3 is also totally incorrect in my experience.
Happy to stand corrected...

Beaver

Original Poster:

1,047 posts

313 months

Thursday 12th September 2013
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They will definitely warranty this car after the test. It's one of the options I have.

Obv have to pay for test and the warranty, although the seller will pay for test