997 turbo to f10 m5
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As the title says anyone done this and willing to share their thoughts? Had my gen1 997tt for 3 years now and she's 6 years old hence a change is possible. I assume that the f10 feels about as quick as the turbo day to day? My other concern is around ability to use the power in that I previously had a m6 and as an enthusiastic but pretty average driver in terms of talent I struggled to use the power when the road was even damp in anything other than a straight line which is not an issue with the 4x4 turbo. Is the more linear delivery of the f10 an easier proposition in the wet? I've also got at the back of my mind that the bigger car might be a bit safer if it all went wrong.
Grateful for any replies to my ramblings above.
Dave
Grateful for any replies to my ramblings above.
Dave
I've got a 997.1 turbo and f10 m5 - they're obviously completely different in every way, but the m5 is an incredible all-rounder. I use my m5 in the week and the turbo more on weekends. The kit and comfort of the m5 makes it the better daily driver IMO. The f10 does feel slower than the 997 turbo, but not by much. The m5 also feels bigger, wider than the 997, even tho the width difference is marginal. Driving the m5 in torrential rain last night, the m5 impressed me with its composure and grip, but didn't inspire the confidence of the 997 with its amazing AWD. The f10 is far better, however, than the e60 and the e60 was itself a very sorted car in the wet. The pilot super sports are also amazing in the wet. Being a RWD with silly power on tap, the car will trigger DSC readily even in dry conditions, but not anything like as readily as the C63.
In terms of power delivery, there is loads of torque, loads more than the e60, and there's little lag in the m5: if there's a delay in delivery, it's usually because I've left the car in comfort gear setting and it's in a higher gear than I'd have chosen in my 997 because, in comfort, the m5 always goes to the highest gear that it can for fuel economy. The m-dct is excellent: as good as pdk in the 997.2 turbo/turbo s.
All that said, I'm not sure that I'd be willing to let the 997 go, even though that would be the sensible move.
In terms of power delivery, there is loads of torque, loads more than the e60, and there's little lag in the m5: if there's a delay in delivery, it's usually because I've left the car in comfort gear setting and it's in a higher gear than I'd have chosen in my 997 because, in comfort, the m5 always goes to the highest gear that it can for fuel economy. The m-dct is excellent: as good as pdk in the 997.2 turbo/turbo s.
All that said, I'm not sure that I'd be willing to let the 997 go, even though that would be the sensible move.
I can't really comment on the M5 specifically, but I can compare my new M6 Competition Pack to the one of my previous chariots, a manual 997.2 turbo (probably the most ultimately competent car I've ever had). Saying this, performance wise in the dry I reckon my M6 would just about hold onto the Porsche once rolling. It's not outright faster, but the combination of performance that's nearly there and the efficiency of the DCT vs. the manual Porsche means theres probably very little in it.
It's a different story from a standing start - I don't think I've driven anything that was quicker than the Porsche and my new M6 wouldn't get close, even in the dry. Traction is very good for a RWD car (certainly compared to say my previous Jaguar XKR-S or even the SLS) but it can't compare in this respect to a 4WD! It does need more care in the wet (any near-600bhp RWD car will), but for what it is, I think the traction available is as much as you could expect.
I also had an E63 M6 and can confirm the chassis on my F13 is much more competent - I always found the old M6 a bit floaty and aloof. Whilst the F13 will never be an outright sports car for hustling along a bumpy B road (it's just not that kind of car and is simply too heavy) and it is notably less direct and feel-some than the Porsche, it does feel a lot more connected to the road than the old M6 and is an awesome day to day car. I personally prefer the added refinement and luxury of the M6 compared to my previous Porsche.
It's a different story from a standing start - I don't think I've driven anything that was quicker than the Porsche and my new M6 wouldn't get close, even in the dry. Traction is very good for a RWD car (certainly compared to say my previous Jaguar XKR-S or even the SLS) but it can't compare in this respect to a 4WD! It does need more care in the wet (any near-600bhp RWD car will), but for what it is, I think the traction available is as much as you could expect.
I also had an E63 M6 and can confirm the chassis on my F13 is much more competent - I always found the old M6 a bit floaty and aloof. Whilst the F13 will never be an outright sports car for hustling along a bumpy B road (it's just not that kind of car and is simply too heavy) and it is notably less direct and feel-some than the Porsche, it does feel a lot more connected to the road than the old M6 and is an awesome day to day car. I personally prefer the added refinement and luxury of the M6 compared to my previous Porsche.
djohnson said:
As the title says anyone done this and willing to share their thoughts? Had my gen1 997tt for 3 years now and she's 6 years old hence a change is possible. I assume that the f10 feels about as quick as the turbo day to day? My other concern is around ability to use the power in that I previously had a m6 and as an enthusiastic but pretty average driver in terms of talent I struggled to use the power when the road was even damp in anything other than a straight line which is not an issue with the 4x4 turbo. Is the more linear delivery of the f10 an easier proposition in the wet? I've also got at the back of my mind that the bigger car might be a bit safer if it all went wrong.
Grateful for any replies to my ramblings above.
Dave
I had the same concerns as never really got on with my E60 M5 for the exact reasons you mention above so moved across to a B7 RS4 & then a new GT-R. Living in the North West we get alot of damp & wet weather so AWD traction is a big advantage, however I'm told this new M5 has massively more traction in poorer conditions than the old one & is more forgiving. I believe the MPSS tyres will offer a big gain tooGrateful for any replies to my ramblings above.
Dave
My daily drive was the 997 changed it a couple of weeks back for the M5, as said above, of the line the Porsche is quicker but in day to day driving there isnt that much between them and I certainly prefer driving the M5 95% of the time. So much better than the last version of the M5 which I did not like at all.
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