RE: Mega hatch triple test: PH liveblog
RE: Mega hatch triple test: PH liveblog
Tuesday 24th September 2013

Mega hatch triple test: PH liveblog

Race against time to get the VW back before it turns into a pumpkin



You may have noticed but we've been doing quite a few stories comparing the BMW M135i we're running on the PH fleet against ... everything on four wheels. Fear not, it goes back to BMW soon and we'll have to stop before we start assessing its off-road capabilities against the new Range Rover Sport or checking its 'ring lap abilities with the 918 Spyder.

The finale to this whole shebang will be a properly written and photographed feature on what you see unfolding here today. In its absence we present a possibly rushed, mis-spelt and hurriedly snapped liveblog as we head from North Yorkshire to the dirty south via as many interesting roads as we can.

With a manual hot hatch with 230hp, a trick kind-of limited-slip diff and front-wheel drive, that bloomin' BMW with its eight-speed auto and rear-drive and a four-wheel drive AMG mega hatch with four-wheel drive and a dual clutch it should at least be an interesting comparison of the state of the 2013 hot/mega-hatch contenders.

Watch this space for updates. And in the meantime here's some further reading:

BMW M135i vs ... the world!
BMW M135i vs Toyota GT86
BMW M135i vs Renaultsport Megane 265
BMW M135i vs Audi S3
BMW M135i vs Porsche Cayman 2.7


Last update: 1930h, M6 Toll services



Helmsley Road, 0830h
Dreams of a) an evocative dawn sky for an inspirational opening photo and b) being able to update the blog as we go have both been smothered by the autumnal gloom but we're under way and on the Helmsley Road written about previously in a Dream Drive.

I've been given the Golf, Matt and snapper Tom declaring that local knowledge and a horsepower advantage would be unfair. So I've got a mere 230hp, front-driven wheels and a manual gearbox against the BMW's 320hp and the crackling, popping A45's bonkers 360hp. If anyone in my hometown wasn't already awake when we left Tom selecting Sport mode as we left town will have dealt with that. Comedy is the only way to describe it. For the driver at least.

As we've parked up for the snaps we've just seen an incredibly slow lorry setting off down the road too. We'll be seeing him again soon no doubt...

Dan



Helmsley, 1000h
So the Helmsley Road is certainly something! Yes, we caught that lorry up (plus a few more), but its fast, flowing nature, plus some spectacular views, more than made up for it.

Having not spent much time in the BMW yet, I nabbed it for the run across from Stokesley. Much has already been written about its delicious powertrain so suffice it was supreme for the B1257.

However, not all is perfect inside the M135i. Really push and it loses some composure, feeling a bit leaden over compressions and a little flustered. It's not unruly, but neither does it reward over those last couple of tenths like the best hot hatches. But given its 'M Performance' remit, it seems rather churlish to complain.

I'm in the A45 next. Let's hope these old buildings in Helmsley have double glazing...

Matt



Ferrybridge, 1200h
A pause for refreshments in the scenic (actually not) surroundings of Ferrybridge, the three cars gulping down 180 quid of super with the BMW being the thirstiest. Fair to say it's not spent much time in Eco Pro mode though.

After Helmsley we headed south, taking the twisting and deserted back roads to York.

I was in the Golf, my first time in the new GTI and very impressive it is too. It certainly doesn't feel 130hp down on the AMG, its lightness and chuckability really coming into their own on the narrow lanes. At first I didn't think the Haldex diff was doing much but I decided to MTFU and get a bit more aggressive on the power and, after an initial pause, you can really feel it bite just as an XDS ESP based diff would be cutting power. There's still a will it, won't it pause for thought but once hooked up it really pulls the car round. It's definitely the option to pick over the adjustable dampers, these passive ones feeling really lively (in a good way) and supple. Only the grabby brakes spoil it, even a light brush of the pedal causing the car to lurch most unpleasantly and unsettling it just where you'd hope a feathering of the brakes would calm it on turn-in.

Overall very impressive though.

Now to the A45 AMG, bang, pop, ba-ba-bang, etc...

Dan



1431h, Glossop
M135i haters rejoice - we ditched the fugly Beemer at Ferrybridge and left Tom to take the fast road to another shoot at the Cat and Fiddle while Matt and I took the scenic route to the same. We're nearly there but growling bellies have got the better of us and we've paused in Glossop for a breather after a frankly astonishing drive across Saddleworth Moor and into the Peak District.

I'll have to do a Dream Drive on this too because the roads were just amazing. To think you're just a few miles from Manchester and near the busy cross-Peak routes like the Snake Pass and M62... It's desolate, deserted and awesome in scale, the rival to anything in Wales and yet bordered by huge conurbations on all sides.

The choppy, broken tarmac has been a great test of the A45's suspension too, which word on the street had down as excessively harsh. From the driver's seat I'm not sure it is but it's from the Renaultsport mould of fierce springing and quick damping, of which I'm a fan too. Whether passengers would be so enthused is another matter but the A45 feels lively, alert and eager to chuck itself into the bumpy switchbacks with the inevitable flurry of pops and bangs. It pulls so strongly too, boosting hard all the time. Only the low redline hampers you, cutting in just as you'd hope a bit of four-wheel drive might do something interesting under power.

Cracking car though. Oh, and anyone thinking bringing the Golf was a knife to a gunfight needs to see how well it's been doing. On the road it's a constant presence in the AMG's mirrors under anything less than full bore acceleration.

Now on to the 'Fiddle...

Dan



1930h, M6 Toll services
I seem to have ended up back in my comfort zone of the BMW for the schlep back down the M6, Eco Pro on and pondering on a hell of a fun day of driving. And a healthy reminder of the diversity now on offer in the practical performance car market, hot-, mega- or however you want to prefix them. And, yes, I'll accept the latter was probably a bit hyperbolic, especially in the Golf's case. Sorry.

Final stage for the day was to meet back with Tom just as he was finishing his additional shoot at the Cat and Fiddle. After all the 'spirited driving', trundling along at the SPECs neutered 50mph was a shock but a few runs to and fro in all cars was revealing. Trundling along the straights and then mashing it into the tight, well-sighted turns revealed an odd two-stage power delivery from the Golf's Haldex diff and just at the point your instincts say 'understeer, time to back off' there's a distinct shift in attitude and with a constant amount of lock it holds its line even with maximum throttle. The rear axle still felt stubbornly welded down no matter how much provocation though. It's no Megane on that score.

The BMW was predictably more fun and balanced, the A45 in the same situation just fearsome, railing round at ludicrous velocity and tightening its line as power went rearwards before - ba-ba-bang! - hitting its limiter.

The highlight for me has been just how alive and agile the Golf feels compared with the two hard-hitting rivals. The power deficit is less telling than the weight advantage and at night on the motorway there are lots of nice design features to divert attention from the tedium.

The comments thread has been focusing hard on numbers too. Here are a couple to close this update on - the Golf, as tested, costs £27,480. The AMG, again, as tested? £50,845, the BMW £37,680.

Now, best get that Golf back to VW. MK here we come.

Dan

 

 

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Discussion

abbotsmike

Original Poster:

1,033 posts

176 months

Tuesday 24th September 2013
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You guys lead such terrible lives... Have fun in the and be careful in the fog that seems to have covered half the country!

I'll get back to writing my technical report...

XJR500bhp

1,205 posts

241 months

Tuesday 24th September 2013
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Never driven or seen a 135i on the road, however I'm bored to death of them already, every other story involves this car......

nickfrog

25,419 posts

248 months

Tuesday 24th September 2013
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Little tip: as soon as you see "M135i", it may indeed means it will be about it so simply stop reading that particular story. HTH.

Cupramax

11,007 posts

283 months

Tuesday 24th September 2013
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It does appear to be done to death currently, the fact that its gopping is enough for me regardless of any abilities, aaaaam ooot.

urquattroGus

2,065 posts

221 months

Tuesday 24th September 2013
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As an M135i owner, I'm happy for it to continue! (Although I sometimes wish it was a little sharper round the twisties and has better traction)

Froomee

1,503 posts

200 months

Tuesday 24th September 2013
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Just needs a mild facelife i.e. smaller grills and lights i reckon....

pimpchez

900 posts

214 months

Tuesday 24th September 2013
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+1 on sick to death of the 135i ,come on to the average average guy its not affordable in the slightest.

anyway ,i will always read about the AMG , just screams water-downed evo in a posh frock .It looks so menacing in that front on shot.Although like the BMW you cant tell the difference on the road as you always see the diesel version.

Wolands Advocate

2,520 posts

247 months

Tuesday 24th September 2013
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Erm...the A45 AMG might look a bit more "get out of my angry way" but it is also fairly hard to distinguish from Mercedes' slightly twee "by AMG" trim-line which you can have on any number of cooking versions of the A-Class. I saw what I thought was my first A45 the other morning only to realise it was a dollied-up diseasel.

rb5er

11,657 posts

203 months

Tuesday 24th September 2013
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Cupramax said:
It does appear to be done to death currently, the fact that its gopping is enough for me regardless of any abilities, aaaaam ooot.
My thoughts exactly.

Ali_T

3,379 posts

288 months

Tuesday 24th September 2013
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XJR500bhp said:
Never driven or seen a 135i on the road, however I'm bored to death of them already, every other story involves this car......
Someone in our estate has one. Taken me 6 months to realise though. Sorry, but it's just so dull. Looks like any other 1 series, especially in Black Horse Leasing White.

Edited by Ali_T on Tuesday 24th September 11:56

mr2j

516 posts

189 months

Tuesday 24th September 2013
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"a four-wheel drive AMG mega hatch with four-wheel drive"

How very INTERNETS of you.

Ed Straker

221 posts

174 months

Tuesday 24th September 2013
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Wolands Advocate said:
Erm...the A45 AMG might look a bit more "get out of my angry way" but it is also fairly hard to distinguish from Mercedes' slightly twee "by AMG" trim-line which you can have on any number of cooking versions of the A-Class. I saw what I thought was my first A45 the other morning only to realise it was a dollied-up diseasel.
This.

I REALLY want to like the AMG.
I don't care that the steering is lifeless, my last 2 AMG's were the same.
I DO care it has 4WD for this winter, flappy paddles for my real-world commute, and a performance envelope i'll never get near to exceeding. The comedy soundtrack is a bonus, as is the fact that all the Mags diss it.(I like to be contrary)

I DO NOT like the thought of a hard ride (not driven one yet)
But worst of all, it looks just like all the other A-series AMG trimmed motors.
It really needs some integrale-like arches and some proper attitude.
AMG should be more than a trim option.
frown

Wolands Advocate

2,520 posts

247 months

Tuesday 24th September 2013
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Indeed. The BMW is not an M model therefore can be excused looking relatively mundane - debadge it and it's an excellent Q-car. And there'll be a proper M version (probably of the coupe) at some point which, if the 1M was anything to go by, will look suitably "wahey". And I'm sure the next RS3 will look suitably distinct from the S3.

But the A45 is Mercedes' last word on the A-Class and is a full AMG model, so should look like one. No one mistakes a C63 for a C350 AMG.

GTEYE

2,505 posts

241 months

Tuesday 24th September 2013
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Not a single comment about the Golf yet....which perhaps is rather telling...

Ali_T

3,379 posts

288 months

Tuesday 24th September 2013
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Wolands Advocate said:
I' last word on the A-Class and is a full AMG model, so should look like one. No one mistakes a C63 for a C350 AMG.
It's not though. There's already a Black Series version in testing for that. Which is probably rather galling to anyone paying £40k of the vanilla A45. And how much will the Black Series be?!


Ali_T

3,379 posts

288 months

Tuesday 24th September 2013
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GTEYE said:
Not a single comment about the Golf yet....which perhaps is rather telling...
Apart from "shouldn't they be doing this with the Golf R instead"?

Kronstein

294 posts

160 months

Tuesday 24th September 2013
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I suppose the winner will be the M135i, so as not to disenfranchise the PH faithful but I'd bet on the GTI to win the review if they stay on b-roads and avoid any tracks.

Good to hear the passive dampers work on the 7.

Hopefully a Black Series A45 will be setup like a Fiesta ST.

simo1863

1,934 posts

159 months

Tuesday 24th September 2013
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I've driven all three and like the M135i in both auto and manual (the dials and lights on the steering wheel in the manual are a nice touch), I really do but something just doesn't excite me about it. It could be the looks or it could be that it has the power and punch of something that should handle better and be a lot lower.

The Golf GTI is.... erm.... a Golf GTI.... a warm, FWD hatch. Interior is much better than the last version and it's a bit quicker. It also feels very much like the perfect amount of power for FWD, in a similar way to how the Focus ST is. It's no where near as fast as the other two (and cheaper) though so I'm not sure how fair a comparison it is, the upcoming R32 would have been fairer. For me though it's what a hot hatch should be, FWD manual fun and not a d**k measuring contest of 0-60 times in the pub.

The A45 does feel more hardcore and is clearly the fastest of the three. The ride is very hard though (it's pretty bad on the standard A-Class) and I do have a soft spot for AMG but alas, it might be quicker off the mark but it's no C63 Coupe.

I'm not sure what I'd conclude.... buy none and cycle get an MX-5... Actually I'd be sorely tempted to get a second hand GT86 and turbo it.

Uncle John

5,386 posts

222 months

Tuesday 24th September 2013
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Since when has the Golf GTi been a mega hatch?

rb5er

11,657 posts

203 months

Tuesday 24th September 2013
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Uncle John said:
Since when has the Golf GTi been a mega hatch?
I think mega just means anything German these days. zzzzzzzzzzzz