Can't decide how much this is annoying me

[Muzzer79]

Or even if it isn't a piss-take

Someone has linked to this on FB, encouraging all to sign it "if they have kids"

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/44532

[FourWheelDrift]

Disabled people tend to be disabled for life, babies grow up. So at what point do they have to stop showing the baby card? It would need a cut off date and I doubt anyone would check for dates on something on a card in a car window. It would have to be like a VED tax disc, updated every year in a different colour to be obvious. It would probably create another 1,000 civil service jobs and cost the tax payer millions. Yes in a period of government cut backs it's just what we need.

[dave_s13]

It's annoying, the jumped up prick.

It's a solution to a non problem that would create "process" where you don't need it.

What is needed is flexibility in the blue badge scheme. Ever visited X-Scape in Castleford - always hard to get a parent/child space - always hundreds of free blue badge spaces. It's an indoor ski slope ffs - how may wheelchair users go snowboarding?

[nickbee]

Disabled spaces in a public (i.e. council-owned) car park have legal protection, but to my knowledge parent and child spaces do not exist in public car parks. Disabled bays in a private car park do not have legal protection and therefore neither should P&C spaces. Even if protection for disabled spaces existed in private car parks, that would tie in with a legal obligation to provide them, whereas there is no such requirement for P&C spaces.

[ikarl]

how about an e-petition for the exact opposite of what he is asking for?

[TheEnd]

That's the problem with e-petitions, any idiot can start one without even thinking if they are asking the right question to the right person.

I might as well pick the next poster, and petition them to make summer weather last through the winter.

[2DDav]

Just another example of someone who has managed to have a child and therefore thinks that those with children should take precedence over the rest of society. fk right off.

[MysteryLemon]

Ok, now I'm a Dad.

Believe it or not, parent parking spaces are actually handy and do serve a purpose.

Parking spaces in car parks are tiny at the best of times. Trying to squeeze in to get out a baby seat and a toddler can be a right pain in the arse in a normal space. The extra foot or so either side of the car in a parent parking space can be very helpful at times.

I don't agree that they should be given the same status at disabled spaces, hell, I think there are far too many disabled spaces in some car parks as it is, and it seems people legally abuse them enough as it is.

Regardless of their status, they are there to help people out. It annoys me to see people either using them as a waiting bay or blatantly not a parent with a child in the car when I need to then go and find a smaller space, squeeze the car in and then try to get my two kids out without knocking the doors into the cars I've parked next to.

Having a card to display is a fking stupid idea. Other people having some respect for other drivers would be a better place to start.

[Muzzer79]

Oh, I don't disagree with P&C spaces wholesale.

I'm sure they're very handy and, in a private car park, it's up to the owner whom he chooses to give preference to (supermarket = wants to attract families)

But making them enforceable is just cretinous. People managed for circa 100 years of the car without having a bit of extra space either side to unload their children, I'm sure they can manage now.

[pork911]

MysteryLemon said:

Ok, now I'm a Dad.

Believe it or not, parent parking spaces are actually handy and do serve a purpose.

Parking spaces in car parks are tiny at the best of times. Trying to squeeze in to get out a baby seat and a toddler can be a right pain in the arse in a normal space. The extra foot or so either side of the car in a parent parking space can be very helpful at times.

I don't agree that they should be given the same status at disabled spaces, hell, I think there are far too many disabled spaces in some car parks as it is, and it seems people legally abuse them enough as it is.

Regardless of their status, they are there to help people out. It annoys me to see people either using them as a waiting bay or blatantly not a parent with a child in the car when I need to then go and find a smaller space, squeeze the car in and then try to get my two kids out without knocking the doors into the cars I've parked next to.

Having a card to display is a fking stupid idea. Other people having some respect for other drivers would be a better place to start.

2DDav said:

Just another example of someone who has managed to have a child and therefore thinks that those with children should take precedence over the rest of society. fk right off.

think those two posts should be that way round

[MysteryLemon]

pork911 said:

think those two posts should be that way round

At what point did I say I should take priority over other drivers?

The spaces are put there by the car park owners to do drivers with kids in the car a favour. They tend to have signs asking drivers to only use them if they have a child in the car. Why would any driver think they have the right to park there over someone with a child?

Whether to agree with them or not, anyone parking there without a child is just being a tt for the sake of it. No other reason than than. They're doing it because they think they have the right to when the space is clearly not intended for them.

Regardless, I'll happily not use them. I'll just park further away and find some empty spaces. My kids have legs and I will encourage them to use them.

[Muzzer79]

MysteryLemon said:

Regardless, I'll happily not use them. I'll just park further away and find some empty spaces.

I think this is the bone of contention with them.

Not that they're bigger, or 'reserved' for parents with children. It's that they're invariably right outside the shop.

I wonder how popular they'd be with some parents if they were exactly the same size and design, but at the back of the car park?

[johnS2000]

Well I think there should be more P&C space's !

All of them should be at the far end of the car park the further away the better !

Why is it your average parent become's unable to walk far .

[MysteryLemon]

A new Sainsburys opened fairly local to me just this year. They have marked "larger" spaces right at the back of the car park. They're not parent spaces or disabled spaces. Just "larger" spaces. About a ft wider than normal.

They're great. Anyone can park there and you get extra width either side of the car and don't have to worry so much about someone knocking doors into your car.

Now wouldn't it be great if they made all the spaces this size?

[pork911]

MysteryLemon said:

At what point did I say I should take priority over other drivers?

The spaces are put there by the car park owners to do drivers with kids in the car a favour. They tend to have signs asking drivers to only use them if they have a child in the car. Why would any driver think they have the right to park there over someone with a child?

Whether to agree with them or not, anyone parking there without a child is just being a tt for the sake of it. No other reason than than. They're doing it because they think they have the right to when the space is clearly not intended for them.

Regardless, I'll happily not use them. I'll just park further away and find some empty spaces. My kids have legs and I will encourage them to use them.

huh? re-read what you've just posted and see where the egalitarian spaces for any driver with or without kids is missing

you plainly invoke priority for spawning