996 turbo - how much minimum ?
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Some funds may become available to me from a property sale, and I'm wondering how much I would need to put in extra to change form a 993 C2 to an early 996 turbo.
It's the lure of all of that filthy dirty sexy extra power that's doing it... phwoarr...
So I reckon I'd get 26-27 k for my 993 but how much would a reasonable early 996 turbo be on top of that ?
Anything to watch out for on these models ? RMS failure for instance ?
Cheers guys
It's the lure of all of that filthy dirty sexy extra power that's doing it... phwoarr...
So I reckon I'd get 26-27 k for my 993 but how much would a reasonable early 996 turbo be on top of that ?
Anything to watch out for on these models ? RMS failure for instance ?
Cheers guys
Depends on whether your willing to take LHD - for £40-45K you could get a MY2000 LHD turbo. RHD will cost £15-20K more, be thinking £60K minimum.
If it's just the power you're after there isn't much difference in a 993 turbo, which can be picked up sub-£40K for RHD.
No RMS issues as the turbo is built on the GT1 derived engine which is fitted in the GT3 also - this engine is supposed to be very good and reliable and doesn't suffer the same problems and the standard M96 lump.
If it's just the power you're after there isn't much difference in a 993 turbo, which can be picked up sub-£40K for RHD.
No RMS issues as the turbo is built on the GT1 derived engine which is fitted in the GT3 also - this engine is supposed to be very good and reliable and doesn't suffer the same problems and the standard M96 lump.
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Cheapest on mobile.de at the moment is 43,750 GBP.
Lot of car for the money
Cheapest on mobile.de at the moment is 43,750 GBP.
Lot of car for the money
Or this for £46.5K - Arctic silver...niiiiice
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Ah my eyes, my eyes !
The yellow is just a tad overpowering no ?
Hmm.. that tinyurl.com site has some bargains on eh ?
I'm not v keen on LHD for varous reasons so would want to keep to RHD, though some of those are tempting for the price.
As you say interesting the power output fmor the 993 turbo to the 996 turno is not much at all.. wonder why ? The NA version got quite a hike.
The yellow is just a tad overpowering no ?
Hmm.. that tinyurl.com site has some bargains on eh ?
I'm not v keen on LHD for varous reasons so would want to keep to RHD, though some of those are tempting for the price.
As you say interesting the power output fmor the 993 turbo to the 996 turno is not much at all.. wonder why ? The NA version got quite a hike.
911newbie said:
Hmm.. that tinyurl.com site has some bargains on eh ?
www.tinyurl.com is just a useful website that shortens third party URLs to a sensible length. Handy if you want to point someone to an autotrader search link or whatever.
The www.tinyurl.com links actually refer to a website called www.mobile.de , which is the German autotrader equivalent. And very good it is too
Don said:
Had anyone bought a LHD Porsche from Germany? What was the experience like.
A plan: Sell current BoxS privately. Turn up in German OPC with switch card and purchase used 996 LHD Turbo. See how long it takes Mrs Don to notice the Conservatory fund has disappeared...
I have roughly the same plan Don, there are a few dealers in the UK who will do the paperwork for you www.lhdporsche.com being one - although I haven't heard any first-hand reports of dealings with them.
From what I hear, so long as the car has the European Certificate of Conformity then it should be no problem.
To import the car from Germany is easy. The problems can start if you can't obtain a Certificate of Conformity from Porsche. Then you have to have the car SVA's which can be a right pain!
Apart from that, you take an MOT, SVA/CofC/Insurance purchase invoice, VAT form (showing no VAT is due) to your local DVLA office and away you go.
In theory you can only drive the car from the dealer to your home on the export plates (and to the MOT/SVA) but I got insurance cover for 8 weeks and rattled up a couple of thousand miles.
Apart from that, you take an MOT, SVA/CofC/Insurance purchase invoice, VAT form (showing no VAT is due) to your local DVLA office and away you go.
In theory you can only drive the car from the dealer to your home on the export plates (and to the MOT/SVA) but I got insurance cover for 8 weeks and rattled up a couple of thousand miles.
Sorry Guys, I know some of you are LHD fans, but just can't see the point. All that hassle to import & again when you come to sell because LHD sales are so "specialist", spend your time sitting on the wrong side of the road, increased insurance, can't be 100% confident with the cars history (HPI/AA etc) whilst it was abroad. Different specifications to Uk cars quite often with a fair chunk of toys missing etc etc etc.
Now I can see this is all worth while if you save a boat-load, but you buy it cheaper & have to sell it cheaper...so where is the gain.
Spend a few more grand & get the proper Uk car, you'll also get a few extra grand when you come to sell it!!!
Now I can see the benefit a specialist LHD like an RS, for the track, where rarity keeps value up & LHD isn't an issue on track.
Anyway each to their own, if you stil want that LHD good luck to you, but nice 00 Uk cars are around for early £50ks!
>> Edited by grant3 on Thursday 28th October 14:09
Now I can see this is all worth while if you save a boat-load, but you buy it cheaper & have to sell it cheaper...so where is the gain.
Spend a few more grand & get the proper Uk car, you'll also get a few extra grand when you come to sell it!!!
Now I can see the benefit a specialist LHD like an RS, for the track, where rarity keeps value up & LHD isn't an issue on track.
Anyway each to their own, if you stil want that LHD good luck to you, but nice 00 Uk cars are around for early £50ks!
>> Edited by grant3 on Thursday 28th October 14:09
grant3 said:
Now I can see this is all worth while if you save a boat-load, but you buy it cheaper & have to sell it cheaper...so where is the gain.
Spend a few more grand & get the proper Uk car, you'll also get a few extra grand when you come to sell it!!!
Anyway each to their own, if you stil want that LHD good luck to you, but nice 00 Uk cars are around for early £50ks!
But what we're talking about is Turbos here, and the price difference is in the region of £15-20K, not a few grand.
For example, I could by a 2003 LHD turbo with all the toys for £55K, or RHD will cost £70K+
The point being that LHD makes the likes of a turbo available to me, with RHD I'm just not in the market.
When you say nice 00 cars are in the early 50s I presume you're talking C2s and not Turbos.
As for HPI/crashes, other countries (espec Germany) have similar systems to UK and anyone spending this amount of money would do due diligence and check the car out.
I agree with you for C2/C4 etc where the difference is simply a few £K, but when you're into the more pricey stuff (GT3, C4S, Turbo) then LHD can make a lot of sense, and there is a reasonable market for these cars on the re-sell because of what they are and the relatively low price. And your point about buying cheaper and selling cheaper - the depreciation % is about the same, so in effect you loose less as you are putting less in.
If I went the LHD route - which is not a given but an option I am thinking about (haven't even really decided to chop the BoxS yet) it would not bother me in the slightest.
I've had a LHD 911 before.
To be honest since the car would only do some pleasure mileage and track days LHD isn't an issue - and it would encourage me to do a little more European touring - no bad thing!
I've had a LHD 911 before.
To be honest since the car would only do some pleasure mileage and track days LHD isn't an issue - and it would encourage me to do a little more European touring - no bad thing!
GreigM said:
But what we're talking about is Turbos here, and the price difference is in the region of £15-20K, not a few grand.
For example, I could by a 2003 LHD turbo with all the toys for £55K, or RHD will cost £70K+
The point being that LHD makes the likes of a turbo available to me, with RHD I'm just not in the market.
When you say nice 00 cars are in the early 50s I presume you're talking C2s and not Turbos.
As for HPI/crashes, other countries (espec Germany) have similar systems to UK and anyone spending this amount of money would do due diligence and check the car out.
I agree with you for C2/C4 etc where the difference is simply a few £K, but when you're into the more pricey stuff (GT3, C4S, Turbo) then LHD can make a lot of sense, and there is a reasonable market for these cars on the re-sell because of what they are and the relatively low price. And your point about buying cheaper and selling cheaper - the depreciation % is about the same, so in effect you loose less as you are putting less in.
Sorry Greig we will have to agree to disagree, the trade value of a full Uk spec 02 Turbo with low mileage & a good list of extra's is around £60-62k, you will obviously pay a little more privately. 00 Uk Turbo's are availble for the early £50ks!!
Yes you save maybe 10 grand on a LHD purchase, but you also get 10k less come re-sale (& one of the best buyers of porsches the OPC network won't be buying a LHD 996TT) so whats the saving? I'd rather shell out a bit more initially (& get more back later!!)& get a proper UK RHD car with the wheel on the right side!
>> Edited by grant3 on Thursday 28th October 15:10
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