190E Sportline
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BGarside

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161 months

Wednesday 2nd October 2013
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Spotted an unusual 190E 2.3 Sportline for sale which I like the look of. Typically it's at the opposite end of the country from me.

Just wondering if anyone knows anything about this car or the owner, or if the owner is on here?

http://mercedes-190.co.uk/topic/6634306/1/

The car's had a lot of work done but has been for sale for a long while (originally 2010!).


jith

2,752 posts

239 months

Wednesday 2nd October 2013
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BGarside said:
Spotted an unusual 190E 2.3 Sportline for sale which I like the look of. Typically it's at the opposite end of the country from me.

Just wondering if anyone knows anything about this car or the owner, or if the owner is on here?

http://mercedes-190.co.uk/topic/6634306/1/

The car's had a lot of work done but has been for sale for a long while (originally 2010!).
I would grab that right now. And it's a manual too. Perfect!

J

macp

4,760 posts

207 months

Wednesday 2nd October 2013
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Derin may know something but indeed thats a rare & lovely thing

bolide

582 posts

278 months

Wednesday 2nd October 2013
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I know of the vendor and would assume it to be exactly as described. It's an import from SA - there won't be many non-Cosworth 2.3s in the UK

I've sold a couple of Sportline 190Es and would say the condition of the interior is really important. It'd be very difficult to replace or repair the seat material easily. It's hard-wearing but will wear eventually on the driver's seat

Nick Froome

b4bby

267 posts

212 months

Wednesday 2nd October 2013
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Actually i won a 190e 2.6 auto today which has some sportline extras.

Its accident damaged cat D which is a pretty small amount of damage to the drivers rear quarter.

When i checked the chassis number for the cars spec prior to bidding it stated that its got the sportline chassis and 8 hole alloys amongst other options.

The car itself seems pretty good overall and is in a interesting brown (bornite?) light tan combo.

This will hopefully be a cheaper replacement for my partners e39 530d sport when we sell it shortly.

BGarside

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Wednesday 2nd October 2013
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bolide said:
I know of the vendor and would assume it to be exactly as described. It's an import from SA - there won't be many non-Cosworth 2.3s in the UK

I've sold a couple of Sportline 190Es and would say the condition of the interior is really important. It'd be very difficult to replace or repair the seat material easily. It's hard-wearing but will wear eventually on the driver's seat

Nick Froome
Thanks Nick. Not seen another one in the UK, and only a handful of 2.3s imported from elsewhere. Will check the interior carefully if I get to the car first!

BGarside

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Wednesday 2nd October 2013
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b4bby said:
Actually i won a 190e 2.6 auto today which has some sportline extras.

Its accident damaged cat D which is a pretty small amount of damage to the drivers rear quarter.

When i checked the chassis number for the cars spec prior to bidding it stated that its got the sportline chassis and 8 hole alloys amongst other options.

The car itself seems pretty good overall and is in a interesting brown (bornite?) light tan combo.

This will hopefully be a cheaper replacement for my partners e39 530d sport when we sell it shortly.
Good luck! Hope the car turns out to be a good one. Not many Sportline 190s around and the 2.6 would've been my choice if fuel was cheaper!

W124Bob

1,857 posts

199 months

Thursday 3rd October 2013
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There is an 8v 2.3 on Ebay at the moment, auto, standard suspension in silver. But that's LHD, even in Germany it's a rare car. Run out models had some quite vivid interiors, badged as Avantgarde in Europe.

BGarside

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Friday 4th October 2013
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W124Bob said:
There is an 8v 2.3 on Ebay at the moment, auto, standard suspension in silver. But that's LHD, even in Germany it's a rare car. Run out models had some quite vivid interiors, badged as Avantgarde in Europe.
Cheers, but think I'll stick with the one I've spotted as it's RHD & Sportline. Actually, it's odd that a 2.3 is RHD. I thought they were only sold overseas to LHD countries, but could be wrong?

Anyone know how long the M102 petrol engines last before needing a rebuild? The car I'm looking at is just under 100k mileage.

Cheers for any info.

Ben

W124Bob

1,857 posts

199 months

Friday 4th October 2013
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I think this RHD 2.3 190 was built in SA, they certainly built cars out there from the fifties as there have been several mag articles recently on SA built examples. I'm guessing the only reason the 2.3 190e never came to the UK was it would been regarded as competition for the lower spec W124 models. I'd be tempted to buy it just for it's rarity, should be pretty rust free as well. As for when the engine would need a rebuild, not for another 100k!

macp

4,760 posts

207 months

Saturday 5th October 2013
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W124Bob said:
I think this RHD 2.3 190 was built in SA,
Yes it was according to the mercedes forum link posted earlier

rubystone

11,254 posts

283 months

Saturday 5th October 2013
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The car has been written off though...why not buy a straight 2.6? Excellent cars...

BGarside

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161 months

Tuesday 8th October 2013
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W124Bob said:
I think this RHD 2.3 190 was built in SA, they certainly built cars out there from the fifties as there have been several mag articles recently on SA built examples. I'm guessing the only reason the 2.3 190e never came to the UK was it would been regarded as competition for the lower spec W124 models. I'd be tempted to buy it just for it's rarity, should be pretty rust free as well. As for when the engine would need a rebuild, not for another 100k!
Thanks Bob. Good to know there's a lot more life in the motor. At 7k a year the car will probably die before the engine!

BGarside

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Tuesday 8th October 2013
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rubystone said:
The car has been written off though...why not buy a straight 2.6? Excellent cars...
Only a Cat D though, and £2k is hardly expensive.

I'd have really liked a 2.6 but I think the fuel bills would be hard to swallow for an only car...

b4bby

267 posts

212 months

Tuesday 8th October 2013
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Looking at the ad it states Cat3 then says later that its passed a vic check tells me that its a Cat C not cat D as a cat D doesnt need a vic test to obtain a new v5 document.

I hope this helps you decide.

BGarside

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Thursday 10th October 2013
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Cheers.

I guess the degree of damage required for Cat C, hence the cost of repair, will depend on the age and value of the car.

The damage occurred in 2009 when the car was 16 years old, so I'm hoping would be relatively minor, but I'll quiz the seller for more details.

b4bby

267 posts

212 months

Thursday 10th October 2013
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I wouldn't dismiss it though because it's a C instead of a D, It's a very fine line between the two when the car's as old as these are now.

Either one really doesn't bother me as long as the repair work is good.

rubystone

11,254 posts

283 months

Saturday 12th October 2013
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BGarside said:
Cheers.

I guess the degree of damage required for Cat C, hence the cost of repair, will depend on the age and value of the car.

The damage occurred in 2009 when the car was 16 years old, so I'm hoping would be relatively minor, but I'll quiz the seller for more details.
You're right, the age of the vehicle has a big bearing. But the owner ought to be able to tell you what was damaged. It isn't cheap and the aircon isn't working. At the end of the day it isn't a Cosworth and as such won't ever be sought after.

As to fuel, the 2.6 is unstressed. In everyday driving you won't find the relative fuel consumption of the 2 litre or 1.8 to be much different...they have to work harder after all. I can't speak for this 2.3 though.

BGarside

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Saturday 12th October 2013
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Front bumper and wing, apparently.

Not driven a 2.6 but I hear they are a top-endy engine so might feel sluggish at lower speeds, especially in conjunction with an auto 'box tha starts in second gear by default.

Peak torque is at 4600rpm vs. 3500 for the 4-cylinder engines. Supposedly the 2.3 is reasonably torquey, though obviously not very powerful at 136hp.

I would look to get the aircon removed anyway. Could be expensive to get working again & I don't really need it.

rubystone

11,254 posts

283 months

Sunday 13th October 2013
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BGarside said:
Front bumper and wing, apparently.

Not driven a 2.6 but I hear they are a top-endy engine so might feel sluggish at lower speeds, especially in conjunction with an auto 'box tha starts in second gear by default.

Peak torque is at 4600rpm vs. 3500 for the 4-cylinder engines. Supposedly the 2.3 is reasonably torquey, though obviously not very powerful at 136hp.

I would look to get the aircon removed anyway. Could be expensive to get working again & I don't really need it.
I HAVE driven several 2.6s and I can assure you that whoever told you that has clearly NEVER driven one!!!!! And an auto box that starts in 2nd? I wouldn't know that but I can assure you they go like st off a shovel...I would try to find one with Sportline suspension though as the tend to roll more than a car with one of the smaller engines.

You will always miss aircon on a hot sunny day smile



Edited by rubystone on Sunday 13th October 10:38