Air Band Radio on a Budget
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AlaskanMal

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32 posts

194 months

Thursday 3rd October 2013
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Hi all,
I'm looking at purchasing my first air band radio. A bit baffled by what's out there really and some folk saying they get this frequency but not that one etc etc. I would like to be able to sit at airports and also military airfields like Waddington, Coningsby etc and listen to the comms between both tower and pilots. Any advice greatly appreciated. My budget is around 50-60 quid. Thanks.

LordLoveLength

2,336 posts

159 months

Thursday 3rd October 2013
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Don't know about bothering to sit at the end of runways, but there are lots of feeds of major airports radio traffic / approach/ radar etc available as online feeds.
Google 'live ATC' to get an idea of what to expect.

CharlieCrocodile

1,227 posts

182 months

Thursday 3rd October 2013
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I got this which seems to do the job http://www.maplin.co.uk/tsc-100r-200-channel-radio...

As far as I can see there's no UK ATC on the internet, happy to be corrected.

anonymous-user

83 months

Thursday 3rd October 2013
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LordLoveLength said:
Google 'live ATC' to get an idea of what to expect.
Nothing for UK airports unfortunately.

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Thursday 3rd October 2013
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Concur.

I've checked over the years but NATS are (perhaps not surprisingly) reluctant to put live UK ATC on the internet.

Mutley

3,178 posts

288 months

Thursday 3rd October 2013
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kapiteinlangzaam said:
Im pretty sure its technically 'illegal' to listen in on UK ATC broadcasts, hence the lack of online feeds etc.
It is not illeagal to listen in on Airband transmissions, otherwise we would not be able to purchase the radio scanners, But making a recording and using it for commercial benefit is. Also, airband radios can only listen to one side of the conversation, either 'tower' or cockpit

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Thursday 3rd October 2013
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NOT true.

An airband radio can listen into both sides of the conversation.

HOWEVER, what sometimes happens is that the airband radio can only pick up the aircraft because the ground based transmitter is too far away.

But, if you live within a couple of miles of an airfield or control centre, you will hear both parties in the communications.

dtmpower

3,972 posts

274 months

Thursday 3rd October 2013
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Icom R2 or a similar Yaesu will do 8.33 KHz spacing for AM Airband.

jjones

4,488 posts

222 months

Thursday 3rd October 2013
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CharlieCrocodile said:
I got this which seems to do the job http://www.maplin.co.uk/tsc-100r-200-channel-radio...

As far as I can see there's no UK ATC on the internet, happy to be corrected.
that should be fine and is future proffed with the 8.33

anonymous-user

83 months

Thursday 3rd October 2013
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Mutley said:
kapiteinlangzaam said:
Im pretty sure its technically 'illegal' to listen in on UK ATC broadcasts, hence the lack of online feeds etc.
It is not illeagal to listen in on Airband transmissions, otherwise we would not be able to purchase the radio scanners
Wrong as well I'm afraid.

It IS illegal to listen to airband on a scanner in the UK. In fact, it is illegal to listen to anything on a scanner unless you are an 'authorised recipient' of the message.

You can freely listen to stuff like BBC Radio 1 etc and CB channels as they are specifically for public listening, but barely anything else.

Don't forget there are loads of things you can legally buy, but not legally use.

You can go out and buy any amateur radio gear you want legally and own it, but the moment you plug it in and press the talk button you are committing an offence, for example.

anonymous-user

83 months

Thursday 3rd October 2013
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Also... I had a Uniden 3500XLT and it was a fantastic piece of kit. Easily programmable by a USB lead, scan by separate bands, local call/transmission capture.

Really serious piece of kit in a handheld unit. Very sensitive receiver. I would highly recommend a 2nd hand one of these if you can find one to suit your budget.

slinky

15,704 posts

278 months

Thursday 3rd October 2013
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The Maycom AR-108 is available all over the place, within budget.
Small and simple to use.. It obviously lacks the "power" of other, more expensive, units, but it does the job nicely..

anonymous-user

83 months

Thursday 3rd October 2013
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NinjaPower said:
Mutley said:
kapiteinlangzaam said:
Im pretty sure its technically 'illegal' to listen in on UK ATC broadcasts, hence the lack of online feeds etc.
It is not illeagal to listen in on Airband transmissions, otherwise we would not be able to purchase the radio scanners
Wrong as well I'm afraid.

It IS illegal to listen to airband on a scanner in the UK. In fact, it is illegal to listen to anything on a scanner unless you are an 'authorised recipient' of the message.

You can freely listen to stuff like BBC Radio 1 etc and CB channels as they are specifically for public listening, but barely anything else.

Don't forget there are loads of things you can legally buy, but not legally use.

You can go out and buy any amateur radio gear you want legally and own it, but the moment you plug it in and press the talk button you are committing an offence, for example.
Yup,


ofcom said:
. Q. Am I breaking the law by owning a
scanner?
A. No, but it is illegal to use one to listen to
frequencies other than general reception
transmissions or those parts of the radio
spectrum which your transmitting licence,
if you have one, allows you to use.
You could be prosecuted for this.
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/static/archive/ra/publication/ra_info/ra169r7.pdf

Mutley

3,178 posts

288 months

Thursday 3rd October 2013
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I stand corrected, I had an airband radio when I was young and with the books for sale saying what frequency for towers thought it was legal to listen in. Been a while, so did the law change? and when?

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Thursday 3rd October 2013
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No changes whatsoever.

It's an area of the law which the authorities don't have any major concerns about and don't, on the whole, prosecute.

AlaskanMal

Original Poster:

32 posts

194 months

Thursday 3rd October 2013
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Thank you for some great responses. After a bit more reading today I think the Uniden Bearcat EZI33 XLT might be what I'll be going for. Seems to have the features I need and at right price. Does anyone have experience with these handsets??

anonymous-user

83 months

Thursday 3rd October 2013
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AlaskanMal said:
Thank you for some great responses. After a bit more reading today I think the Uniden Bearcat EZI33 XLT might be what I'll be going for. Seems to have the features I need and at right price. Does anyone have experience with these handsets??
I've got a uniden bearcat from around 20 years ago and it still works well, I assume there have been a few models since mine. hehe

Brigand

2,547 posts

198 months

Thursday 3rd October 2013
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I remember using my dad's scanner in the early 90's to listen in on mobile phone conversations, before they became encrypted. That was also very illegal, to the point that my dad, despite showing me what freq to use to listen to them, seemed a bit scared to be doing it for too long, as if he could be tracked or something!

anonymous-user

83 months

Friday 4th October 2013
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Yep, 90's analogue mobile phones prior to GSM digital were ridiculously easy. I was a teenager when they were popular and a friends dad showed me how he could tune in to them just using an old wideband scanner he had lying in his garage.

I bought my scanner for use at rally events and other motorsport stuff and it's been great, but naturally whilst at home with a new toy you want to find out what it does... And I was staggered to find out how many people locally to me in suburbia had crappy analogue cordless landlines in their houses!

Never did it again... It creeped me out.

Wedg1e

27,034 posts

294 months

Saturday 5th October 2013
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Brigand said:
I remember using my dad's scanner in the early 90's to listen in on mobile phone conversations, before they became encrypted. That was also very illegal, to the point that my dad, despite showing me what freq to use to listen to them, seemed a bit scared to be doing it for too long, as if he could be tracked or something!
Oh, that brings back memories...! A mate of mine had a scanner and we used to laugh ourselves daft at men calling up phone sex lines (presumably from hotel rooms). The woman would take credit card details, home address etc. and then call the guy back for some one-handed action.

I heard whistle that said details may have been copied down and used to order things (from a phone box) to be delivered to the guy's home address as surprises for his wife...