Is there still a place on UK roads for hard suspension?
Is there still a place on UK roads for hard suspension?
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HertsBiker

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6,443 posts

301 months

Monday 7th October 2013
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Seems to me that roads are getting rougher and slower, and limits are lower. So is there any real point in rock hard springs any more? Is the compromise worth it just for a few corners a week?

tannedstamina

510 posts

159 months

Monday 7th October 2013
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Add to that lowered suspension - I've got pretty hard suspension and slightly lowered springs.

In London here it's a real pain to get around with all the speed bumps around. I have to go sideways to make sure they're not scraping the bottom of the car. Added to that the condition of the roads, I sometimes wish I had a big floaty 4x4!

deltashad

6,731 posts

227 months

Monday 7th October 2013
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The Lotus has very firm suspension, I try to avoid any defects in the road, even drains etc cause you feel everything. I worry about what it's doing to the bushes.

My Lancia also has very firm eibach FE springs, it goes through a lot of bushes on a regular basis. Still, I love it. I don't have any issues with my back.... yet.

chris182

4,240 posts

183 months

Monday 7th October 2013
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Not really apart from those glorious rare fleeting moments when there is a corner not in a 30 limit with no OAPs in front. I am currently hoping to sell my fleet and get a Landcruiser with air suspension, bumps and potholes will be a problem that other people have cloud9.

Cotty

42,261 posts

314 months

Monday 7th October 2013
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deltashad said:
The Lotus has very firm suspension, I try to avoid any defects in the road, even drains etc cause you feel everything. I worry about what it's doing to the bushes.
Yep, a small pot whole a 4x4 would sail over get a bank though the cabin and a skip from the CD player.

CoolHands

23,622 posts

225 months

Monday 7th October 2013
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Cotty said:
deltashad said:
The Lotus has very firm suspension, I try to avoid any defects in the road, even drains etc cause you feel everything. I worry about what it's doing to the bushes.
Yep, a small pot whole a 4x4 would sail over get a bank though the cabin and a skip from the CD player.
I almost understood that.

mp3manager

4,254 posts

226 months

Monday 7th October 2013
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deltashad said:
The Lotus has very firm suspension, I try to avoid any defects in the road, even drains etc cause you feel everything.
I do that in my DC5 with its OEM JDM suspension, which is stiffer than anything UKDM. I can even feel the paint on the road from the 'SLOW' painted on the road.
I test-drove an FD2, which is even stiffer and it's virtually undriveable, or should I say unliveable, on UK roads.

otolith

69,416 posts

234 months

Monday 7th October 2013
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My Elise rides better than the wife's 350Z - potholes make a lot more noise, but you feel them less.

deltashad

6,731 posts

227 months

Monday 7th October 2013
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otolith said:
My Elise rides better than the wife's 350Z - potholes make a lot more noise, but you feel them less.
Is that with a standard set up on the z?

otolith

69,416 posts

234 months

Monday 7th October 2013
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deltashad said:
Is that with a standard set up on the z?
Yep.

Otispunkmeyer

13,821 posts

185 months

Monday 7th October 2013
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mp3manager said:
I do that in my DC5 with its OEM JDM suspension, which is stiffer than anything UKDM. I can even feel the paint on the road from the 'SLOW' painted on the road.
I test-drove an FD2, which is even stiffer and it's virtually undriveable, or should I say unliveable, on UK roads.
For me the standard civic on the smallest wheels is pretty bad. People who bought the fd2 type R then ticked the option for 19" wheels must be masochists. One guy on a forum I used to visit said his OH refused to ride in it it was that uncomfortable.

mp3manager

4,254 posts

226 months

Monday 7th October 2013
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Otispunkmeyer said:
mp3manager said:
I do that in my DC5 with its OEM JDM suspension, which is stiffer than anything UKDM. I can even feel the paint on the road from the 'SLOW' painted on the road.
I test-drove an FD2, which is even stiffer and it's virtually undriveable, or should I say unliveable, on UK roads.
For me the standard civic on the smallest wheels is pretty bad. People who bought the fd2 type R then ticked the option for 19" wheels must be masochists. One guy on a forum I used to visit said his OH refused to ride in it it was that uncomfortable.
I think you may have mixed up the UKDM FN2 and the JDM FD2.

Snowboy

8,028 posts

181 months

Monday 7th October 2013
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Roads are getting worse.
My fun road car is an old Jeep wrangler now.
It eats up the speedpumps and potholes, has enough speed to be fun and turns heads.

The Audi has pretty stiff suspension and there are roads nearby that make the car feel like something is broken the way it makes things rattle and shake.

kambites

71,599 posts

251 months

Monday 7th October 2013
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There has never been any point in rock hard suspension on a road car, IMO. Properly damped soft (up to the point) suspension has always given better handling characteristics, even if it gives lower ultimate cornering speeds.

kambites

71,599 posts

251 months

Monday 7th October 2013
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otolith said:
My Elise rides better than the wife's 350Z - potholes make a lot more noise, but you feel them less.
Same with my Elise and the wife's Octavia. At anything over about 40mph the Elise rides better; at 60+ the Elise rides much better.

HustleRussell

26,607 posts

190 months

Monday 7th October 2013
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It seems to be generally accepted that handling and ride comfort are mutually exclusive. In my experience this is not the case.

So yeah, I don't think very stiff suspension has any place anywhere apart from the track, and personally I'm not prepared to tolerate bad ride quality...

Drek

609 posts

195 months

Monday 7th October 2013
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CoolHands said:
I almost understood that.
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Cotty

42,261 posts

314 months

Monday 7th October 2013
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CoolHands said:
I almost understood that.
tongue out

pthelazyjourno

1,896 posts

199 months

Monday 7th October 2013
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deltashad said:
The Lotus has very firm suspension, I try to avoid any defects in the road, even drains etc cause you feel everything. I worry about what it's doing to the bushes.

My Lancia also has very firm eibach FE springs, it goes through a lot of bushes on a regular basis. Still, I love it. I don't have any issues with my back.... yet.
What dampers have you put on the Elise?

Standard car is incredibly compliant for a sportscar, and certainly better than the majority of sporty hatches and cars from the likes of VAG (who seem to presume that hard suspension = good).

Elise can seem worse than it actually is due to the noises and lack of sound proofing, there's not actually any more strain going through it than a regular car.

Mine was horrible when I got it - set up for track use, harnesses, rock solid suspension, was ste on an undulating and tight b-road. Returned to OEM Bilsteins and it's a revelation.

Zod

35,295 posts

288 months

Monday 7th October 2013
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tannedstamina said:
Add to that lowered suspension - I've got pretty hard suspension and slightly lowered springs.

In London here it's a real pain to get around with all the speed bumps around. I have to go sideways to make sure they're not scraping the bottom of the car. Added to that the condition of the roads, I sometimes wish I had a big floaty 4x4!
Is that in the A4? Just imagine the trouble I have!