RE: My Dream Drive: Betws-y-Coed to Llangollen
RE: My Dream Drive: Betws-y-Coed to Llangollen
Friday 11th October 2013

My Dream Drive: Betws-y-Coed to Llangollen

A classic slice of rugged Welsh road for our latest Dream Drive



Name: Sean Carson
Where: Betws-y-Coed to Llangollen, via Denbigh
Car used:MK Indy R

The route:
"Head south out of Betws-y-Coed and pick up the A5 heading east towards Llangollen - although this is ultimately the journey's end, it's not just a straight drag along a busy A-road. Dive off north on to the A543 at the village of Pentrefoelas and scud on to Denbigh.

"From there, come back south on the A525 to Ruthin and thread your way through the little town, staying on that road until you reach the top of the Nant-y-Garth pass, where you'll then be looking for signs for the A542 - also known as the Horseshoe pass. This final leg is an up-and-over to Llangollen."

Why it's a dream drive:
"There's a reason why North Wales is popular with bikers and car mags, and this route proves it, taking in all different types of roads and making it a real challenge to thread the different sections together. My car's garaged the other side of Chester so it's only a short hop for me, and an early rise on a Sunday can see you out and enjoying the countryside (in a manner of speaking) with little else but sheep for company. Lots of sheep.

"If the road does get busy, the beauty of this route is you can duck off and make a detour at many points, such is the wealth of amazing blacktop in this part of the world. If Carlsberg did B-roads..."

Ponderosa Cafe at Horseshoe Pass - essential!
Ponderosa Cafe at Horseshoe Pass - essential!
Highlights and lowlights:
"Once you're off the A5 (this stretch from your source at Betws-y-Coed acts as a nice run to warm the car through) and onto the A543 you'll (hopefully) pretty much have the road to yourself.

"This is part of the 'Evo triangle' and it's a properly stimulating piece of Tarmac. Fast straights and long, open corners combine with a mix of cambers and more technical, varying radius turns, which will keep your brain busy. There are plenty of gradient changes and visibility is good, so you can carry some decent, erm, momentum...

"The road from Denbigh to Ruthin is busier but can still be a nice brisk and flowing drive, even if it is sort of a link to the more interesting sections - I always find it a good opportunity to catch your breath, too, before trying to traverse a tight Welsh town in a car with no reverse gear.

"Coming out the other side, recalculate your head for tight and twisty as opposed to the more open moorland section of the first leg. A rather large dyke looms large up the left-hand side of the Nant-y-Garth pass on the ascent to focus the mind, but the asphalt is good so you can lean on the grip - just watch for areas of sap and moisture under the trees if it's been raining.

"The Horseshoe pass is more open, with a lovely section culminating in a fast right-left dipper as you approach the summit. The road then slithers its way down into Llangollen. Cool the brakes, park up, and you're done.

"The great roads and equally breathtaking views can be tempered by traffic on occasion during summer, but get up early enough and this shouldn't be a problem. As always in North Wales, there's the local Heddlu to look out for - I know an unfortunate biker who was actually served a speeding ticket by a helicopter around these parts.

"There are plenty of cattle grids, too, which means there's potential for an errant kamikaze sheep to spoil your day, big time. Back off if you see one on the verge."

Keeping a car like this nearby is incentive enough
Keeping a car like this nearby is incentive enough
Sights, stop-offs and diversions:
"If you've brought a flask with you (it's an important addition when your car has no weather protection) then make a diversion onto the B4501 and stop for a brew on the banks of the Llyn Brenig reservoir. It's also a good detour if you happen to get baulked by a tractor - even more open than the first section, the vistas are great and swooping through the pine forest you can't help but think WRC or Le Mans, depending on your persuasion.

"Other cuppa stops include the Ponderosa Cafe at the top of the Horseshoe pass - it's usually a good spot to take in some two-wheeled machinery, too - as well as numerous cafes in Denbigh and Ruthin. The two towns are also good for a fill-up if you're running low on juice."

Follow the route here.

[Photos: craggyisland21 and diluviene via Flickr and under Creative Commons licence]



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derin100

Original Poster:

5,217 posts

273 months

Friday 11th October 2013
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This is virtually on my doorstep.

I must try it soon!


darrenw

347 posts

313 months

Friday 11th October 2013
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If you go up the Horseshoe Pass you have to stop off at the Ponderosa, I visit once a fortnight or so throughout the year. I can recommend the Thai Curry biggrin

melvster

6,841 posts

215 months

Friday 11th October 2013
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Not a bad route but the B4391 is the best road in North Wales; Triangle routes are seriously over rated and they appear to have been rolled with an egg-shaped roler.

Liquid Tuna

1,403 posts

186 months

Friday 11th October 2013
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Without fail, every time I travel this route there's some triathlon or bicycle event on. Now I don't hate cyclists (not very PH I know, but there you go) but they're spread out for miles as well.

Anyway, I'd imagine on a clear run it's a great road.

Matt UK

18,084 posts

230 months

Friday 11th October 2013
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Shhhhh.....

MoelyCrio

2,502 posts

212 months

Friday 11th October 2013
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Sitting out on the veranda outside the cafe looking out over Llyn Brenig after a spirited drive or ride is one of lives little (and local smile) pleasures.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

220 months

Friday 11th October 2013
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A rather nice bit of the country I must say..




Richair

1,021 posts

227 months

Friday 11th October 2013
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Matt UK said:
Shhhhh.....
Haha indeed, some of my favorite roads in there.

On a busy day the Ponderosa can be, errrmm, an eperience to say the least! Imagine the days when everyone used to take a day trip to Watford Gap services and you're not far off... It's best of enjoyed on a weekday when quiet.

darrenw

347 posts

313 months

Friday 11th October 2013
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Richair said:
Haha indeed, some of my favorite roads in there.

On a busy day the Ponderosa can be, errrmm, an eperience to say the least! Imagine the days when everyone used to take a day trip to Watford Gap services and you're not far off... It's best of enjoyed on a weekday when quiet.
I've never been at the weekend, it's usually on a Thursday (or a Tuesday now and then).

It's fun in the winter...





It was a good three foot deep in places that day!

bromers2

1,867 posts

280 months

Friday 11th October 2013
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I came home that way the other day - lovely road, stunning scenery, but my V8 M3 had family on board - very frustrating. watch out for the sheep though could of easily taken 4 or 5 out if i had been going any faster.

SonicShadow

2,452 posts

184 months

Friday 11th October 2013
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Noooooo Pistonheads!! You'll turn these roads into the next 'EVO triangle', and they will become too busy and over policed. Not that policing on the roads is a problem as we would all be doing precisely 60MPH on there. Yes.

JonVTR

158 posts

185 months

Friday 11th October 2013
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melvster said:
Not a bad route but the B4391 is the best road in North Wales; Triangle routes are seriously over rated and they appear to have been rolled with an egg-shaped roler.
The 4391 is rubbish you mean? whistle

80quattro

1,821 posts

225 months

Friday 11th October 2013
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I have many fond memories of Horseshoe Pass, I've been travelling that route into Holywell as a kid with my folks, and now as a driver myself. As a child, I thought it hilarious that sheep would wander around the roadside.


Andy ap

1,147 posts

202 months

Friday 11th October 2013
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This is a blast me and a friend did one early summer morning last year.

http://goo.gl/maps/fgC3a

Brilliant roads best caught early on a sunny day especially the blast up to ruthin and around Blaenau Ffestiniog

Also while short the B4501 is good too.

Edited by Andy ap on Friday 11th October 14:58

nightflight

814 posts

247 months

Friday 11th October 2013
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It's even better on two wheels, and I don't mean a pushbike!

Richair

1,021 posts

227 months

Friday 11th October 2013
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JonVTR said:
melvster said:
Not a bad route but the B4391 is the best road in North Wales; Triangle routes are seriously over rated and they appear to have been rolled with an egg-shaped roler.
The 4391 is rubbish you mean? whistle
Worst road ever for a performance car!!! jester
This IS my favourite road anywhere, but I can't decide which section is best. Both sections have their charms, challenges and epic views... Maybe I should get up early this Sunday!

AdeV

621 posts

314 months

Friday 11th October 2013
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See that orange road that takes off just north of Corwen, and cuts off the Horseshoe Pass? The A5104, goes round a place called Bryneglwys?

Your challenge (motorbikes excepted): Maintain exactly 60mph for the _entire_ road (except for one corner, just before (northbound) or after (southbound) Bryneglwys - best slow down for that one, or you'll end up in a field). Yes, it's tempting to do >60 on some of the straighter bits..

Can I do it? Hell no, I bottled on several corners, but then I _am_ driving a barge.

Slippydiff

16,465 posts

253 months

Friday 11th October 2013
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JonVTR said:
melvster said:
Not a bad route but the B4391 is the best road in North Wales; Triangle routes are seriously over rated and they appear to have been rolled with an egg-shaped roler.
The 4391 is rubbish you mean? whistle
Matt UK said:
Shhhhh.....
SonicShadow said:
Noooooo Pistonheads!! You'll turn these roads into the next 'EVO triangle', and they will become too busy and over policed. Not that policing on the roads is a problem as we would all be doing precisely 60MPH on there. Yes.
All the above.


Dear PH article writers, please STFU. rolleyes

Edited by Slippydiff on Friday 11th October 18:42

MoggieMinor

471 posts

175 months

Friday 11th October 2013
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Great road in a lovely part of the world. Love the TR7. Those were just getting decent when BL pulled the plug..

CarlosV8

818 posts

202 months

Friday 11th October 2013
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For our first wedding anniversary my wife and I did a road trip in my Chimaera and stayed in Betws-y-Coed for a few nights. Beautiful part of our little country, and some fantastic roads round there. I think we covered all the roads above when we were there, as well as some of the smaller 'side' roads (which necessitated some suspension adjustment to stop the fully laden Chim bottoming out!)



Happy memories!