Toyo or Yokohama
Discussion
Been offered either Toyo Proxies T1-S or Yokohama A022 all round on my 400SE
Would be interested to hear other owners thoughts/views/experiences with either set up, good or bad etc.
Car currently is shod with Falken rubber which has been fine for general day to day use in wet or dry although you do have to treat them with due respect when wet and cold.
Would be interested to hear other owners thoughts/views/experiences with either set up, good or bad etc.
Car currently is shod with Falken rubber which has been fine for general day to day use in wet or dry although you do have to treat them with due respect when wet and cold.
As Steve say's SO3, but as I was eating them at around 3000 a set of rears I am now on Toyo. They are nearly as good as the SO3.
SO3 I found superb all around, wet and dry. Gave excellent feel but could be slighty bouncy under certain circumstances, not a grip thing.
Toyo nearly the same but a softer feel (I understand the stiffer walls on the SO3 hence the odd bounce). Easier to spin as well which I don't like too much.
Yoko A022....rings a panic bell with me for some reason, had some Yoko's on the 400 and they were scary in the wet. extremely scary. Not sure if they were A022???????? Damit, getting old, memory is going, cannot remember if they were AO22, think I posted the number on here for some reason a few years ago.
SO3 I found superb all around, wet and dry. Gave excellent feel but could be slighty bouncy under certain circumstances, not a grip thing.
Toyo nearly the same but a softer feel (I understand the stiffer walls on the SO3 hence the odd bounce). Easier to spin as well which I don't like too much.
Yoko A022....rings a panic bell with me for some reason, had some Yoko's on the 400 and they were scary in the wet. extremely scary. Not sure if they were A022???????? Damit, getting old, memory is going, cannot remember if they were AO22, think I posted the number on here for some reason a few years ago.
Jeff is officially old: Friday 18th October 2002
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I initially had Yokohama a022 (I think they were numbered) and they were very hairy in the wet, slightest blip on the throtle in the wet and the back end went. Bought them to pass the MOT as they were available there and then and I was in too much of a rush after buying the 400 to drive it
Having used Yoko's on my 350 for several years, I can definitely recommend them - AVS that is - their top tyre. A bit softer than the old RE71 and I think the SO2's that I'm currently running on the 400, but only because Yoko don't do the AVS in the size I need. The advantage with the Yoko's used to be that because they were assymetric, you could swap wheels side to side to keep the wear pattern even, whereas the Bridgestones are directional, so you can only swap front to back on the same side, unless you dismount the tyres from the wheels. No experince of the Toyos.
cuneus said:
Friday 18th October 2002
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I initially had Yokohama a022 (I think they were numbered) and they were very hairy in the wet, slightest blip on the throtle in the wet and the back end went. Bought them to pass the MOT as they were available there and then and I was in too much of a rush after buying the 400 to drive it
Tis me, if I can remember who me is
Gandalf said:
Been offered either Toyo Proxies T1-S or Yokohama A022 all round on my 400SE
Out of those two I'd choose the Toyo. You've done well there because Toyo are indicating that the new T1-R is not made in the 225/50/15 400SE size www.toyo.co.uk/index.php?fuseaction=car.t1-s
The A022 was specially developed for the Honda NSX and recieves very good reports for dry weather grip...
I have recently bought a pair of S03PPs which seem fine and are available in the correct size www.bridgestone-eu.com/upload/album/AP_9562.pdf
You might also consider the Pirelli PZero www.pirelli.co.uk/en_GB/tyres/catalog/tyre_product.jhtml?selected=size&catid=UK_UHP&productid=2064
paul gotts said:
The advantage with the Yoko's used to be that because they were assymetric, you could swap wheels side to side to keep the wear pattern even, whereas the Bridgestones are directional, so you can only swap front to back on the same side, unless you dismount the tyres from the wheels.
I think that you must have got out of bed on the wrong side there. Asymetric can be swapped front to rear (as long as you have the same tyre size of course) and directional can be swapped front to rear or side to side if the rims are swapped. The only exception that I know of is the Pirelli PZero Asimmetrico which although asymmetric it is not directional so can be swapped front to rear and side to side.
The AVS's were assymetric, meaning that a specific side of the tyre had to face outwards. They were not directional like the Bridgestones, so I could swap wheels from near to offside without dismounting the tyres, and run them in either direction. At the moment I'm stuck with the SO2's, which I can't even swap end to end as I run 8" rims on the front and 8 1/2" on the back. Looks like It'll have to be SO3's when these are done, unless anyone knows of a supply of SO2's in 400SE size?
Have got Toyos all round on the 400SE and she drives superbly! They've been on since the week after the factory first had them in - sometime early last year - and they are just great.. 
Just been down to Toyo this week and collected four 245 45 16's for the White Elephant - the new Proxies have strengthened shoulders to make the wear last even longer... no contest!
Just been down to Toyo this week and collected four 245 45 16's for the White Elephant - the new Proxies have strengthened shoulders to make the wear last even longer... no contest!
paul gotts said:
The AVS's were assymetric, meaning that a specific side of the tyre had to face outwards. They were not directional like the Bridgestones
Which tyres do you mean? These www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Yokohama&tireModel=AVS+Sport and www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Yokohama&tireModel=AVS+ES100 these are both symmetrical and directional
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