Age related plate and not Q plate
Discussion
When building a replica car on a space frame chassis using donor engine/gearbox/brakes from an Audi, what do I have to do to ensure I can get a plate that relates to the Audi parts and not a Q plate? Would I effectively have to own the entire Audi car and V5?
Also, with it being a replica of an existing car, what will it be named on the V5?
Also, with it being a replica of an existing car, what will it be named on the V5?
That's a great link thanks, I couldn't find that through Google!
Essentially then, as long as I use axles, engine, transmission and steering rack from ONE car, I will get an age related plate?
It's important to me as this is a replica of a stock car and I want to put my cherished plate on it.
Essentially then, as long as I use axles, engine, transmission and steering rack from ONE car, I will get an age related plate?
It's important to me as this is a replica of a stock car and I want to put my cherished plate on it.
Oh wait, I missed a bit: if I use a non-stock chassis (ie built for purpose one), I'm stuck with a Q plate?
"Radically altered vehicles are vehicles that have been altered from their original specification, but aren’t kit conversions."
This is a conversion so I'm not sure that link applies actually??
Bah, this is tricky!
"Radically altered vehicles are vehicles that have been altered from their original specification, but aren’t kit conversions."
This is a conversion so I'm not sure that link applies actually??
Bah, this is tricky!
Edited by UWOTM9 on Sunday 13th October 22:50
Indeed, but it's still not clear.
The options in Section 5 are:
-Keeping existing plate (not relevant as it'd be a new chassis)
-Getting a current plate (not relevant as they're not brand new parts)
-Q Plate (not what I want)
Struggling with this one, I'll probably take a trip to the DVLA office at some point but I get the feeling the people on the desk will just give me the same info as that link, which isn't entirely clear and contradicts some of the info on various forums around the net.
The options in Section 5 are:
-Keeping existing plate (not relevant as it'd be a new chassis)
-Getting a current plate (not relevant as they're not brand new parts)
-Q Plate (not what I want)
Struggling with this one, I'll probably take a trip to the DVLA office at some point but I get the feeling the people on the desk will just give me the same info as that link, which isn't entirely clear and contradicts some of the info on various forums around the net.
If it's a new chassis (it doesn't matter if it's a factory-supplied monocoque for a written-off car or a stock car monocoque or chassis or a kit car monocoque or chassis) that hasn't been used before and is brand spanking new then it will keep the original plate (as long as you use other items from the original vehicle such as engine etc to get the magical 8 points or more).
Think of a Marlin based on a Marina, for example - the Marlins kept the original Marinas' registration marks as the Marlin chassis were new and used [as a minimum] the Marina donor cars' mechanical & suspension bits
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Think of a Marlin based on a Marina, for example - the Marlins kept the original Marinas' registration marks as the Marlin chassis were new and used [as a minimum] the Marina donor cars' mechanical & suspension bits
.Music to my ears! I presume the chassis comes with some kind of certificate of engineering to prove it conforms to certain stress requirements? Or not? I have no idea about these things and struggling to get a response from the supplier at the moment.
I presume I will need to keep all receipts and V5 to prove they're all from the same car?
It changes things slightly as I'll have to purchase an entire car in one, rather than bits and bobs from various of the same model, but that's not a huge big deal really.
Does anyone know how it will appear on the V5? For example if it was a replica 360 (it's not!) would it say, "Replica Ferrari" on the V5 or "Audi S6"? It doesn't matter at all, just curious.
I presume I will need to keep all receipts and V5 to prove they're all from the same car?
It changes things slightly as I'll have to purchase an entire car in one, rather than bits and bobs from various of the same model, but that's not a huge big deal really.
Does anyone know how it will appear on the V5? For example if it was a replica 360 (it's not!) would it say, "Replica Ferrari" on the V5 or "Audi S6"? It doesn't matter at all, just curious.
aw51 121565 said:
If it's a new chassis (it doesn't matter if it's a factory-supplied monocoque for a written-off car or a stock car monocoque or chassis or a kit car monocoque or chassis) that hasn't been used before and is brand spanking new then it will keep the original plate (as long as you use other items from the original vehicle such as engine etc to get the magical 8 points or more).
Think of a Marlin based on a Marina, for example - the Marlins kept the original Marinas' registration marks as the Marlin chassis were new and used [as a minimum] the Marina donor cars' mechanical & suspension bits .
No, that is absolutely 100% incorrect. Unless you are using the donor chassis, or a new chassis of the same specification you can not keep the donor registration.Think of a Marlin based on a Marina, for example - the Marlins kept the original Marinas' registration marks as the Marlin chassis were new and used [as a minimum] the Marina donor cars' mechanical & suspension bits
.If this were the case then hardly anyone would bother with the IVA test.
Mr2Mike said:
No, that is absolutely 100% incorrect. Unless you are using the donor chassis, or a new chassis of the same specification you can not keep the donor registration.
If this were the case then hardly anyone would bother with the IVA test.
It's not the donor plate I want to keep, it's an age-related plate, as in a new plate issued but a date relevant one.If this were the case then hardly anyone would bother with the IVA test.
Lefty said:
I find this confusing as hell too.
If I was to build a car from a brand new Tomcat spaceframe with a brand new engine, box, axles etc, would it qualify for an age-related plate (I.e. A 63 plate if I was to register the vehicle now)?
I think you're safe!If I was to build a car from a brand new Tomcat spaceframe with a brand new engine, box, axles etc, would it qualify for an age-related plate (I.e. A 63 plate if I was to register the vehicle now)?
"Getting a current registration number
You can register a kit built car, motorcycle or tricycle with a current registration number if you can prove it’s made from new parts supplied by the manufacturer.
You can also get a current registration number for kit built cars with 1 reconditioned part if:
you can show that the part has been reconditioned to an ‘as new’ standard, in line with the manufacturer’s guidelines
the part isn’t the chassis or monocoque bodyshell"
Stiggolas said:
Be careful...If the car gets classed as a kit car (mine's on an age related plate, so not difficult) you can transfer a cherished plate on to it but not off!
Interesting! Is that because you put it on straight away before you got issued an age-related plate? I'll keep it in mind though ta.
The DVLA website is confusing and incomplete. The section that used to refer to using a donor car to get an age related plate on a kit car is no longer there but is still possible and straight forward to do.
When it comes to registration you fill out a form (V627/1) that tells them where various bits come from. Chassis, front/rear axle, engine, steering etc.
For a kit car the chassis would be new from the manufacturer.
To get an age related plate then just fill out the donor components as coming from your donor car. Job done.
When you brake the donor keep the V5, SORN the car and keep the chassis plate. When you apply for registration surrender these with your paperwork.
When it comes to registration you fill out a form (V627/1) that tells them where various bits come from. Chassis, front/rear axle, engine, steering etc.
For a kit car the chassis would be new from the manufacturer.
To get an age related plate then just fill out the donor components as coming from your donor car. Job done.
When you brake the donor keep the V5, SORN the car and keep the chassis plate. When you apply for registration surrender these with your paperwork.
Wow. So much info and a lot of it wrong!
To consolidate all the correct info:-
If you have 2 of the major components from a single donor vehicle then you will qualify for an age related plate (related to the age of the donor).(Items listed on V627/1)
You will not be issued with the same number as the donor, just one of the same year.
You will be able to transfer any number onto the car that does not make the car look newer than the age related number. You will be able to transfer this number off is you want to in the future.
Name on V5:
You will not be able to call it an "Audi Ferrari 360" as the car is no longer any of them or never was.
You can invent your own unique name.
The car will be subject to an IVA test.
To consolidate all the correct info:-
If you have 2 of the major components from a single donor vehicle then you will qualify for an age related plate (related to the age of the donor).(Items listed on V627/1)
You will not be issued with the same number as the donor, just one of the same year.
You will be able to transfer any number onto the car that does not make the car look newer than the age related number. You will be able to transfer this number off is you want to in the future.
Name on V5:
You will not be able to call it an "Audi Ferrari 360" as the car is no longer any of them or never was.
You can invent your own unique name.
The car will be subject to an IVA test.
I find it less confusing if you use the terms used by DVLA;
"Radically Altered Vehicles" this covers substantially altered vehicles but they will require a BIVA test if a new chassis/monocoque is used.
"Kit Built Vehicles" this covers all new parts from a manufacturer (exception can be one refurb part such as the transmission) car can be registered as new.
"Kit Conversions" for the kit car with a new chassis and a donor set of parts from a pre registered car. Provided you use 2 or more major components such as transmission, engine, suspension, steering or axles and have a donor V5 it will need a BIVA tets and will be registered on an age related plate that can be transferred to a private plate.
Q marks will only be used for vehicles of "indeterminate origin"
"Radically Altered Vehicles" this covers substantially altered vehicles but they will require a BIVA test if a new chassis/monocoque is used.
"Kit Built Vehicles" this covers all new parts from a manufacturer (exception can be one refurb part such as the transmission) car can be registered as new.
"Kit Conversions" for the kit car with a new chassis and a donor set of parts from a pre registered car. Provided you use 2 or more major components such as transmission, engine, suspension, steering or axles and have a donor V5 it will need a BIVA tets and will be registered on an age related plate that can be transferred to a private plate.
Q marks will only be used for vehicles of "indeterminate origin"
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