Bring diesel back from France?
Bring diesel back from France?
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uk_vette

Original Poster:

3,336 posts

234 months

Tuesday 15th October 2013
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Hi all,

In France just now.

Local garage has diesel for €1,30.4 a liter, works about £1.10 a liter.

I am going to fill-up anyway, before getting the ferry.

Also I have 4 x 25 liter strong plastic containers.

Can I fill them, and put them behind my seat?

Any problems with customs, if they decide to have a look?

vette

Edited by uk_vette on Tuesday 15th October 14:13

funkyrobot

18,789 posts

258 months

Tuesday 15th October 2013
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All seems fine to me.

wink

kambites

71,589 posts

251 months

Tuesday 15th October 2013
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I'm pretty sure it's against the law to carry that much fuel in separate containers in a car in the UK regardless or the rules on the ferry.

As far as I know there's no import issues, though.

uk_vette

Original Poster:

3,336 posts

234 months

Tuesday 15th October 2013
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I should have said, it is diesel, not petrol.

I was more worried id customs would have a word or two.....

vette

RobM77

35,349 posts

264 months

Tuesday 15th October 2013
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I've checked the HMRC website here: http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/customs/arriving/arrivingeu...

and it just says this:

HMRC said:
Motor fuel
As well as the fuel in your vehicle's standard tank, you can bring in reserve fuel for that vehicle without paying any Excise Duty on it. The fuel must be in an appropriate container.
That sounds a bit vague to me. Does anyone else have any more info?



s p a c e m a n

12,127 posts

178 months

Tuesday 15th October 2013
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Customs wont give a fk, we used to bring trailers back with 1000ltrs in a belly tank. Eurostar and ferrys have different rules regarding fuel storage though, I would be more concerned about breaking those.

anonymous-user

84 months

Tuesday 15th October 2013
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RobM77 said:
I've checked the HMRC website here: http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/customs/arriving/arrivingeu...

and it just says this:

HMRC said:
Motor fuel
As well as the fuel in your vehicle's standard tank, you can bring in reserve fuel for that vehicle without paying any Excise Duty on it. The fuel must be in an appropriate container.
That sounds a bit vague to me. Does anyone else have any more info?
Well it says you can bring additional fuel in an appropriate container. It's pretty clear to me!

maffski

1,905 posts

189 months

Tuesday 15th October 2013
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How are you getting back? Eurotunnel has limits - http://www.eurotunnel.com/uk/site-information/fuel... I presume the ferries will as well.


CraigyMc

18,369 posts

266 months

Tuesday 15th October 2013
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kambites said:
I'm pretty sure it's against the law to carry that much fuel in separate containers in a car in the UK regardless or the rules on the ferry.
I wonder how my favoured karting track gets away with filling up 10+ 25litre gerrycans in the back of their work van, then.
I don't think there's a limit for transport like that, but I know you need a license to store a lot (I think it's for more than one gerrycan, but I'm not sure!)

C

The Surveyor

7,624 posts

267 months

Tuesday 15th October 2013
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St John Smythe said:
Well it says you can bring additional fuel in an appropriate container. It's pretty clear to me!
That's the HMRC view based on import duty etc, ferry companies take a view based on safety, eg Norfolkline says:-

10.7 No fuel cans of any nature whatsoever, whether full or empty are permitted onto the Ship and Norfolkline reserve the right to confiscate and dispose of any fuel cans at any time.

Which also seams pretty clear.

Butter Face

35,055 posts

190 months

Tuesday 15th October 2013
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The Surveyor said:
St John Smythe said:
Well it says you can bring additional fuel in an appropriate container. It's pretty clear to me!
That's the HMRC view based on import duty etc, ferry companies take a view based on safety, eg Norfolkline says:-

10.7 No fuel cans of any nature whatsoever, whether full or empty are permitted onto the Ship and Norfolkline reserve the right to confiscate and dispose of any fuel cans at any time.

Which also seams pretty clear.
I wonder if they throw it overboard if discovered mid-jouney?

jbsportstech

5,069 posts

209 months

Tuesday 15th October 2013
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I believe in the uk you need a licence and fire brigade approval to carry more than 15 litres.

CraigyMc

18,369 posts

266 months

Tuesday 15th October 2013
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Butter Face said:
The Surveyor said:
St John Smythe said:
Well it says you can bring additional fuel in an appropriate container. It's pretty clear to me!
That's the HMRC view based on import duty etc, ferry companies take a view based on safety, eg Norfolkline says:-

10.7 No fuel cans of any nature whatsoever, whether full or empty are permitted onto the Ship and Norfolkline reserve the right to confiscate and dispose of any fuel cans at any time.

Which also seams pretty clear.
I wonder if they throw it overboard if discovered mid-jouney?
If by "throw it overboard", you mean "confiscate it for the use of the people who found it" then by all means.

I wonder what they'd do if they discovered that truckers fill up their tanks on the continent and IMPORT 500 litres of diesel into the UK. Would they set fire to everything?

C

CraigyMc

18,369 posts

266 months

Tuesday 15th October 2013
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jbsportstech said:
I believe in the uk you need a licence and fire brigade approval to carry more than 15 litres.
Linkie please, or else I'm assuming nonsense.

CraigyMc

18,369 posts

266 months

Tuesday 15th October 2013
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CraigyMc

18,369 posts

266 months

Tuesday 15th October 2013
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doogz said:
CraigyMc said:
I had no idea they were called jerricans.

I take it the small extinguisher is to put the fire on your coat out so you don't get too cold on the walk home, because if a fire starts in my car with 60L of petrol in the back, I'm out of there!
Jerry cans -- as in, German cans. Dates back to pre-WW2 military requirements: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerrycan

I think a 2 litre powder extinguisher would be a distraction if you had 333l of petrol in the back of a car, plus 90-odd litres in the fuel tank below it, if say they were on fire a bit.


ETA just realised you were talking about the HSE website calling them Jerricans. As you were.

jbsportstech

5,069 posts

209 months

Tuesday 15th October 2013
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CraigyMc said:
Linkie please, or else I'm assuming nonsense.
I was told that by her grand father ex high raking Fire Bridge man but he retired 20 years ago.

it would appear that relates to petrol>

The UK Dept of Transport Regulations state:
Diesel: Diesel carried by private individuals is not regulated as regards how
much may be carried and how. Anyone contemplating carrying diesel in a
vehicle should bear in mind the potential for fire and the likelihood of spillage
from inadequate containment.
Petrol: Regulations made under the Petroleum (Consolidation) Act 1928 control
the quantities of petrol permitted to be kept in containers for private use. This
limit also applies to carriage. A maximum of two metal containers each up to 10
litres capacity, plus a maximum of two suitable and appropriately-marked plastic
containers each up to five litres capacity, can be kept in a motor vehicle. For
further information on portable petrol containers see HSE website

CraigyMc

18,369 posts

266 months

Tuesday 15th October 2013
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jbsportstech said:
CraigyMc said:
Linkie please, or else I'm assuming nonsense.
I was told that by her grand father ex high raking Fire Bridge man but he retired 20 years ago.

it would appear that relates to petrol>

The UK Dept of Transport Regulations state:
Diesel: Diesel carried by private individuals is not regulated as regards how
much may be carried and how. Anyone contemplating carrying diesel in a
vehicle should bear in mind the potential for fire and the likelihood of spillage
from inadequate containment.
Petrol: Regulations made under the Petroleum (Consolidation) Act 1928 control
the quantities of petrol permitted to be kept in containers for private use. This
limit also applies to carriage. A maximum of two metal containers each up to 10
litres capacity, plus a maximum of two suitable and appropriately-marked plastic
containers each up to five litres capacity, can be kept in a motor vehicle. For
further information on portable petrol containers see HSE website
1928 act that specified volume in litres. Sounds legit... smile

Scuffers

20,887 posts

304 months

Tuesday 15th October 2013
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i have bought and carried race fuel in 205l drums before, as said limit is some 333l total.

Toaster Pilot

14,867 posts

188 months

Wednesday 16th October 2013
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Seems like far too much effort to save around £25 in fuel duty if you do manage to transport 100L