RE: Mercedes E500 Sport: PH Carpool
RE: Mercedes E500 Sport: PH Carpool
Monday 21st October 2013

Mercedes E500 Sport: PH Carpool

The Q-car approach to big V8s, as demonstrated by one PHer



Name: Colin
Car: Mercedes E500 (Sport to be precise)
Owned since: July 2013
Previously owned: "Lots of cars, I'm a bit of a serial car changer. Most recent daily drivers have been an E36 328 Coupe and an E39 535; the Merc was bought to replace the 535 as I decided it would be nice to own at least one fairly modern car."

V8 ensures this is a bigger presence in mirrors
V8 ensures this is a bigger presence in mirrors
Why I bought it:
"I decided it was about time I had a daily driver that was less than a decade old after quite a few years of driving older stuff. The only initial criteria I had was that it had to be a V8 (they are addictive), though the wife insisted it needed to have a semblance of family friendliness and have five seats which put paid to some of my initial list (Mustang, CL/CLS, BMW 640, etc). I always say it's best to be open minded and buy the best car you find from a wide list rather than getting fixated on a certain model.

"The E500 fell into that category. I'd seen one for sale in a dealership and that opened my eyes to what great value they were so I decided to browse the classifieds to see what was around within my budget. This one was listed on PistonHeads and seemed to have had the options list raided fairly heavily (Panoramic roof, TV, Designo Leather, 18-inch alloys) and the two-tone leather interior set it apart from the other E500s for sale (although given they didn't sell many that wasn't a long list). It was over budget but I figured worth a look and the minute I viewed it I knew it was the right car for me. The owner was selling it to get a company E-Class hybrid but had clearly cherished it and the car came with extensive MB history and most importantly having had a gearbox rebuild. I think he already had seller's remorse before he had even sold it.

"The other big benefit was that it had an LPG kit professionally fitted. I knew from first-hand that running V8s isn't something for the economy conscious but this made it comparable to running a 2.0 petrol. Filling the LPG tank up for only £30 gives me a smug feeling every time.

"At the time I bought it I was also looking at E39 M5s and though I'm sure they would be a better car for a summer Saturday morning hoon, I've concluded that for everyday use the E500 is a far better proposition."

Maintains stealth tradition of W124 E500
Maintains stealth tradition of W124 E500
What I wish I'd known:
"Not a lot so far, I'd done my homework carefully before buying and knew the main issues (gearbox and air suspension). I looked into a warranty but nowadays they refuse to cover air suspension so are pretty much useless.

"Although it's in the £500 tax bracket, virtually all W211 facelifts are and I figured the benefits of the facelift in terms of reliability outweigh the extra £250 in car tax. In the height of summer they driver's side air-con was not man enough to cope with the heat and I feared a sensor somewhere had packed up but got it re-gassed first as a precaution and that sorted the problem out. It turned out there wasn't enough gas in the system to run both evaporators."

Things I love:
"It's a real Q-car, few people know what it is and what it's capable of, and it's smart without being too showy for business. Naturally the V8 and its performance are the best bits, overtaking is done in the blink of an eye. But if you want to pootle then it's loaded with kit and the air suspension gives you a choice of comfort or hard charging (or 'Milton Keynes roundabout mode' as my boys have re-christened Sports 2). And the Designo interior means every journey feels special."

Things I hate:
"The exhaust could be a lot louder; the engine note is more subdued than my old 535 despite the extra power. Once it's a bit older I'll sort a more 'special' exhaust out but I need a break from spending at the moment. And it could be smaller, it does take some work to find the right parking space."

Original owner got busy on the options list
Original owner got busy on the options list
Costs:
"As you might expect it's a bit juicy on fuel. A weekend of short journeys saw an average of 15mpg, however the LPG costs do offset that a lot.

"Insurance seems to be close to that of my old 535 despite being significantly newer, I think perhaps one benefit of driving a car classified more as luxury than sports. Service costs also seem reasonable though I've yet to experience this first hand. My BMWs were serviced by the excellent MTec in Northampton and I plan to go the specialist route with the Merc as well. A friend and several PHers have recommended Autoclass in Milton Keynes, and as the car tells me every morning how long before I need to dip into my pocket I'll be finding out in another 197 miles."

Where I've been:
"Everywhere. This is my daily so it's used for the half-mile trip to the office, plenty of motorway work and everything in between. With a V8 soundtrack every journey is special. As tempting as it is to take it down the strip at Santa Pod, I've yet to do that. As is standard for PH I've also got an MX-5 and that does the track day, motorsport hack job leaving the E500 for the nice stuff."

LPG conversion takes the edge off running costs
LPG conversion takes the edge off running costs
What next?
"I promised myself this one's a keeper (my average ownership is less than a year), and I'm hoping it will shift from something fairly new to a pseudo classic in the way old Mercs seem to manage better than other makes. At the moment I'm keeping it standard and just sorting out the basics for everyday convenience (phone kit, winter mats, iPod connectivity), long term then I hope to fit a performance exhaust to free a bit more vocal range but it certainly doesn't need anything to boost its performance."

 

   
   
   
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mitch78

Original Poster:

963 posts

227 months

Monday 21st October 2013
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"...it's used for the half-mile trip to the office..."

Seriously?! Who drives half a mile?! It usually takes less time to walk that, than it would to find the car keys!

crosseyedlion

2,382 posts

229 months

Monday 21st October 2013
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I was thinking the same thing...Half a mile?!?!?!

I love driving, but I don't think I could bring myself to drive that short a commute. Maybe if its torrential, but no other time.

Evo

3,462 posts

285 months

Monday 21st October 2013
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Maybe his laptops really heavy smile

Nice car though OP.

Chicane-UK

3,861 posts

216 months

Monday 21st October 2013
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Fabulous. I love the big Mercs as really they all look the same - the rear badging (and noise) is all that gives them away.

What a machine smile

pagani1

683 posts

233 months

Monday 21st October 2013
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These are seriously good value at present and the LPG makes it a no brainer until the first serious component failure, and knowing MB it will go on forever in the engine bay, and when the body finally gives up it's the perfect kit for a Hot Rod conversion.Best of Luck matey!

V88Dicky

7,373 posts

214 months

Monday 21st October 2013
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What gearbox problems do you speak of? Is it a 6 speed ZF?

surveyor

18,707 posts

215 months

Monday 21st October 2013
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It will be a 7 speed.

Interesting that the original owner specced it up, then looking at the aftermarket parking sensor display did not bother with those!

Do you lose space to the LPG tank?

E65Ross

36,729 posts

243 months

Monday 21st October 2013
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nice car....but you drive 1/2 a mile to work? you lazy sod! rofl

Helicopter123

8,831 posts

187 months

Monday 21st October 2013
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Lovely car, perhaps the pics don't do the interior colour combo justice?

FarmerJim

841 posts

190 months

Monday 21st October 2013
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Having seen the car for real, I can confirm that it is, indeed, A Lovely Thing.

Trevor450

1,942 posts

179 months

Monday 21st October 2013
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V88Dicky said:
What gearbox problems do you speak of? Is it a 6 speed ZF?
7 Speed. The speed sensors in the gearbox can be troublesome. Mine played up and required £1500 of gearbox valve body and conductor plate.

I do love mine - they are great cars.

astirling

419 posts

203 months

Monday 21st October 2013
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mitch78 said:
"...it's used for the half-mile trip to the office..."

Seriously?! Who drives half a mile?! It usually takes less time to walk that, than it would to find the car keys!
I expect he needs the car during the day to visit clients etc. At least that's the only excuse I can think of biggrin

J4CKO

47,059 posts

231 months

Monday 21st October 2013
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How much power do these have, seems kind of under the radar with the AMG versions but more subtle

Trevor450

1,942 posts

179 months

Monday 21st October 2013
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J4CKO said:
How much power do these have, seems kind of under the radar with the AMG versions but more subtle
The post facelift 5.5 litre has 388bhp and 500Nm. biggrin

WMP

154 posts

230 months

Monday 21st October 2013
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Whilst I understand that LPG should be all things to all men, I've heard too many bad stories of unreliability for it to be considered a viable retro fit.

My personal view is if you can't afford the petrol don't buy a V8.

At the risk of coming over all Harris - "Tell me I'm wrong"

74merc

602 posts

223 months

Monday 21st October 2013
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WMP said:
Whilst I understand that LPG should be all things to all men, I've heard too many bad stories of unreliability for it to be considered a viable retro fit.

My personal view is if you can't afford the petrol don't buy a V8.

At the risk of coming over all Harris - "Tell me I'm wrong"
You're wrong....

No brainer in my opinion, a V8 petrol or a 4 cylinder diesel? I've run 2 LPG cars and an E500 on gas would potentially be my third.

Ocellia

191 posts

180 months

Monday 21st October 2013
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"The speed sensors in the gearbox can be troublesome. Mine played up and required £1500 of gearbox valve body and conductor plate."

Is it me, or do I keep reading niggles like this in a lot of things on here?
Is it CAT design? Lack of 'continuous development?







Never had trouble with Lexus LS400s!

M666 EVO

1,129 posts

193 months

Monday 21st October 2013
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As nice as it is, its a bit german bland ness for me

I'd opt for an XJR, quicker and more refined

Scottie - NW

1,388 posts

264 months

Monday 21st October 2013
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74merc said:
You're wrong....

No brainer in my opinion, a V8 petrol or a 4 cylinder diesel? I've run 2 LPG cars and an E500 on gas would potentially be my third.
I agree. LPG is a great system as long as it is installed correctly and serviced correctly.

Get a poor installation and there never ending problems.

mike-r

1,539 posts

222 months

Monday 21st October 2013
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Trevor450 said:
V88Dicky said:
What gearbox problems do you speak of? Is it a 6 speed ZF?
7 Speed. The speed sensors in the gearbox can be troublesome. Mine played up and required £1500 of gearbox valve body and conductor plate.

I do love mine - they are great cars.
Same, our CLK just went in for the exact same problem with the 7G 'box although cost significantly more than £1,500.