Why no motorway gear?
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ikarl

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4,064 posts

229 months

Monday 21st October 2013
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Maybe there's a simple answer to this, hoping someone can answer this..

I was on the motorway on Friday night and started thinking about the 6th gear in my car. Every car I've had up until this car has had 5 gears, which have been fine and I've never felt that any more were needed.

So, why do cars not have a specific gear for motorways? for improved fuel economy
1-5 for normal driving and 6th gear designed for motorways (say 60mph+) where the car will be ticking over at 1,000rpm.


surveyor

18,705 posts

214 months

Monday 21st October 2013
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Engine needs enough torque to keep speed. Not many would have enough at 1k.

B5NXJ

1,091 posts

244 months

Monday 21st October 2013
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because the load involved in pushing a car through the air 70mph is more than a normal car can produce at 1000rmp.

andy-xr

13,204 posts

234 months

Monday 21st October 2013
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The good thing there is that you've got the choice as to whether you stick it in top and sit at 1200rpm or whatever. No nanny needed!

VeeDub Geezer

461 posts

184 months

Monday 21st October 2013
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I'm surprised overdrive hasn't been revamped, redesigned and made a reappearance.


METHS

2,107 posts

166 months

Monday 21st October 2013
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It would be unresponsive to any throttle input.


Also, less revs does not equil less fuel used.

kambites

71,578 posts

251 months

Monday 21st October 2013
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The gear ratios of cars sold in the EU will be optimised for the EU combined test cycle which looks like this:



As you can see, cars are only doing above 80kph for a very small proportion of the test, so manufacturers don't tend to gear for it.


You wouldn't want the revs to be that low anyway - optimal efficiency is not at idle revs.

ikarl

Original Poster:

4,064 posts

229 months

Monday 21st October 2013
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Thanks folks, seems to answer my question.

Quickly as well!

Janesy B

2,625 posts

216 months

Monday 21st October 2013
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I dont think I'd like to be sitting at 70 at 1k in my Focus. Any incline and I'd be buggered.

Johnnytheboy

24,499 posts

216 months

Monday 21st October 2013
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Janesy B said:
I dont think I'd like to be sitting at 70 at 1k in my Focus. Any incline and I'd be buggered.
That's where changing down would come in.

GC8

19,910 posts

220 months

Monday 21st October 2013
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Surely 4th is 'top' in the majority of cars with 5th being an overdrive. Cars where maximum speed is achieved in their highest gear are far from common.

Fartgalen

6,932 posts

237 months

Monday 21st October 2013
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vrooom

3,763 posts

297 months

Monday 21st October 2013
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It would be bad for engine sitting at 1k rpm. it would put cambelt in strain, and put the engine componments under strain too, pushing car at 70mph.

Axionknight

8,505 posts

165 months

Monday 21st October 2013
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rofl

kambites

71,578 posts

251 months

Monday 21st October 2013
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vrooom said:
It would be bad for engine sitting at 1k rpm. it would put cambelt in strain, and put the engine bearing under strain too, pushing car at 70mph.
Why would it have any effect on the cam belt?

mnkiboy

4,409 posts

196 months

Monday 21st October 2013
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With modern small capacity turbo engines becoming more popular, we are starting to see some very long top gears appearing. I read a review of the Audi A3 1.4 TFSi and Merc CLA 1.6, and both were quoted as spinning at just 2000rpm at 70mph. Only heard of V8's and diesels having such a long gear previously.

budgie smuggler

6,071 posts

189 months

Monday 21st October 2013
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I did wonder the same although I was thinking more like 2000-2500 RPM. At 70MPH in 5th gear on my Focus (just a boggo 1.8) I'm at 3500 RPM.

When at 40 I could be in 3rd at approx 3500 RPM or 4th at 2500 RPM. It is a lot more fuel efficient (20% or more) to be in 4th, so I don't see why this wouldn't be true at the higher speed also.

I can only imagine it is to cut production costs and also because it would mean dropping down a gear or two every time you needed to gain a bit of speed as there simply is not enough torque lower in the range.

Garlick

40,601 posts

270 months

Monday 21st October 2013
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You could argue that 7th gear, on cars like the 991, are there for this purpose.

Sort of.

roystinho

3,767 posts

205 months

Monday 21st October 2013
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Garlick said:
You could argue that 7th gear, on cars like the 991, are there for this purpose.

Sort of.
Just like 8th in the zf 'box. Or are we just talking manuals?

Grimezy93

164 posts

161 months

Monday 21st October 2013
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In my search for a new car I've always looked out for 6 gears as I've assumed it's pretty vital for motorway trips. Then I was reminded that 6-geared cars were uncommon till recently unless it was a big diesel and then I remembered that my 60bhp punto actually cruises alright in 5th and it's only the fact it's a small car with pretty skinny tyres that it gets bashed about a bit by the wind. All my acceleration is from 3rd (normally up to 65-70mph), then I change up to 4th and get a bit of a final push up to 75-80mph and then I put it into 5th and let it cruise back down to 70mph.

It's not the best car for the motorway but I imagine something like a 1.6 focus with 5 gears is absolutely fine. Punto's are just a bit light and noisy... Not engine wise though, just wind/road noise and obviously not being able to relax in the shaky car of doom.