RE: Peugeot Sport: PH Meets
RE: Peugeot Sport: PH Meets
Thursday 24th October 2013

Peugeot Sport: PH Meets

The guys behind the upcoming RCZ R on Pikes Peak, hot hatches and why motorsport still matters



A rather nondescript industrial unit in a Paris suburb isn't the most inspiring location for Peugeot Sport.

It's what inside that counts!
It's what inside that counts!
But then look at what Peugeot's motorsport division has produced recently. The Pikes Peak victory is of course the dominant story, but there's also been the class victory at the N24, a pan-European one-make series for the RCZ Cup and further plans for the 208 in rallying too.

It's encouraging to see motorsport still being prioritised as an image builder for road cars, especially given the current economic climate. Bruno Famin, Peugeot Sport's Director, is only too keen to point this out when we discuss the Loeb Pikes Peak triumph. He describes it as a 'relatively low investment project', completed in four months, but one with more than commensurate rewards given the media coverage. He was particularly proud of the reaction within Peugeot and from the public; as a reminder that Peugeot still cares about motorsport, the Pikes Peak campaign more than met its brief.

His challenge now is to find another temporary project to match its success until the economic outlook brightens. He is quite frank in admitting that a VW-esque budget for something like a factory WRC campaign isn't there. Until then, this will have to stay as his Blackberry wallpaper.

Of course there's one of these in the car park
Of course there's one of these in the car park
Cyrille Jourdan is the Technical Manager for the RCZ R, and exactly the kind of guy you would want in charge. When the popularity of Peugeot's Rallye models on PH is mentioned, he smiles: 'They are great cars', but concedes that making such raw hatches nowadays isn't feasible. He's keen on the 'light is right' adage though, and points us to the latest 308, around 140kg lighter than the old car.

Predictably, his enthusiasm for the RCZ R project is infectious. It was never actually part of the original RCZ project, instead an idea pitched to Peugeot from Peugeot Sport to exploit the latent potential in the car.

And when he mentions a race car philosophy around the development, you know that isn't just the PR message. For example, Alcon provides the brakes for the RCZ Cup car, so its tech is used on the road car. The engine has been proven at 250hp, giving them the confidence to run a road car at 270hp. It can apparently go further still, but not with the kind of reliability needed for a production model.

This was a success for Peugeot, so what's next?
This was a success for Peugeot, so what's next?
We pushed Cyrille, but he remained adamant that the RCZ R is exactly how he wants it. He talks of a 'consistency' with the whole car, implying quite a methodical approach. Given the standard RCZ can occasionally feel rather unfinished and lacking cohesion, we hope this proves true.

With a 308 R concept revealed recently, we asked both Cyrille and Budar Pierre, the RCZ R Project Manager, about future prospects for the Peugeot R brand. They seem very keen to add performance models where possible but can't commit without Peugeot approval. Subtle attempts to discuss a 208 R or something motorsport-inspired receive rather ambiguous replies; 'why not?' appears to be the default answer. Surely that would be a better image builder than the larger 308? Let's see.

We're driving the RCZ R in November, which will put the claims of the Peugeot Sport staff to the test. If their confidence can manifest itself has some genuine ability, it promises to be the great fast Peugeot we've been waiting so long for.

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mrdemon

Original Poster:

21,146 posts

295 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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I just wanted to post as no one else has :-)

jamespink

1,218 posts

234 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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The pic of the 205 (complete with dull paint and spots falling off) is exactly my image of Peugeot. Shocking flimsy quality, poorly assembled. The Peugeot special projects are great (rally and Pikes Peak etc) but the road cars are just so average/cheap/tacky. Not for me at all...

Baryonyx

18,291 posts

189 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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On the other hand, my 15 year old 106 Rallye is in daiy use, never misses a best and never fails to raise a smile. It's been the most reliable car I have owned.

renaultgeek

473 posts

178 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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is that a renault 5 next to the 205?

AndrewEH1

4,922 posts

183 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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renaultgeek said:
is that a renault 5 next to the 205?
That, or a Panda? They didn't do a 4 door did they?

Edit: and you're right by the way... getmecoat

Edited by AndrewEH1 on Thursday 24th October 16:22

Snappy89

418 posts

158 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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jamespink said:
The pic of the 205 (complete with dull paint and spots falling off) is exactly my image of Peugeot. Shocking flimsy quality, poorly assembled. The Peugeot special projects are great (rally and Pikes Peak etc) but the road cars are just so average/cheap/tacky. Not for me at all...
And on the other hand, throughout my family we've had 6 Pugs (ranging from 205 to 508) and not a single one has let us down. Maybe we were lucky right?

moribund

4,417 posts

244 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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At least the rally car is enjoying itself


KM666

1,757 posts

213 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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Haha, brilliant pic!

My Mum had a 309gld from passing her test in 2000 untill around 2006 sometime. It was the sole family hack for her. I dont think much went wrong with it besides her crashing it into mostly stationary objects. Paintwork went to st after I started polishing it with furnature polish as a 12 year old (My Dad had polishes and waxes, my Mum didnt, so I improvised). But that wasnt the cars fault. She sold it for £400 and I found it abandoned in a field 2 weeks later looking like it had been stolen then rolled. Compared to her 56plate MINI the 309 was the very definition of reliability.

petrolsniffer

2,554 posts

204 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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Snappy89 said:
And on the other hand, throughout my family we've had 6 Pugs (ranging from 205 to 508) and not a single one has let us down. Maybe we were lucky right?
+1 Three frenchies here never let me down! someone always spouting bks on threads involving french

BrownBottle

1,416 posts

166 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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jamespink said:
The pic of the 205 (complete with dull paint and spots falling off) is exactly my image of Peugeot. Shocking flimsy quality, poorly assembled. The Peugeot special projects are great (rally and Pikes Peak etc) but the road cars are just so average/cheap/tacky. Not for me at all...
Don't believe the hype...

You may see some dull paint on the 205 but if it was a car of that age from most other manufacturers it would be rust you were seeing...

Sampaio

377 posts

168 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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I know Peugeot is trying to get a new image and all, but these 308 commercials where the driver gets goose bumps when he's most likely driving a low-powered diesel is just fooling the viewers… Save it for the GTI and R models! (if they ever make production…)

Kitchski

6,551 posts

261 months

Friday 25th October 2013
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What the hell have they done to the front of the RCZ??!

Employed the same guy who 'made-over' the Twingo?!

briano

117 posts

314 months

Friday 25th October 2013
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Well, the RCZ isn't your average Peugeot. It's built by Magna Steyr, in Austria (who used to build Boxters and Rapides) with a PSA/BMW engine. Ah yes, Peugeot supply the badges.

Then there's the 107, built in the Czech Republic with a Toyota engine/drivetrain. Ah yes, Peugeot supply the badges.


BrownBottle

1,416 posts

166 months

Friday 25th October 2013
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briano said:
Well, the RCZ isn't your average Peugeot. It's built by Magna Steyr, in Austria (who used to build Boxters and Rapides) with a PSA/BMW engine. Ah yes, Peugeot supply the badges.

Then there's the 107, built in the Czech Republic with a Toyota engine/drivetrain. Ah yes, Peugeot supply the badges.
Not sure what your point is here?

p1doc

3,828 posts

214 months

Friday 25th October 2013
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i loved the 3 306's i had xsi gti-6 and rallye lovely cars no probs at all although they have lost their way since then till now it seems but i imagine much smaller motorsport budget than the glory days of dakar/group b etc
martin

bob 180

66 posts

225 months

Friday 25th October 2013
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Snappy89 said:
jamespink said:
The pic of the 205 (complete with dull paint and spots falling off) is exactly my image of Peugeot. Shocking flimsy quality, poorly assembled. The Peugeot special projects are great (rally and Pikes Peak etc) but the road cars are just so average/cheap/tacky. Not for me at all...
And on the other hand, throughout my family we've had 6 Pugs (ranging from 205 to 508) and not a single one has let us down. Maybe we were lucky right?
its funny that because I've been lucky with all my pugs too

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

264 months

Friday 25th October 2013
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bob 180 said:
its funny that because I've been lucky with all my pugs too
Same here-some people do talk some st. I don't think the newer Pugs are up to much but I highly rate anything from the pre 307 era.

They were brilliant to drive cars and very reliable IME. Peugeot has completely lost its way in the past 10 years or so, rather sadly.

Growing up I couldn't wait to drive - my first car was always going to be a small PSA hatch. Done many thousands of miles in them and loved every single one.

Edited by SidewaysSi on Friday 25th October 11:32

Technomatt

1,085 posts

163 months

Friday 25th October 2013
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SidewaysSi said:
Same here-some people do talk some st. I don't think the newer Pugs are up to much but I highly rate anything from the pre 307 era.

They were brilliant to drive cars and very reliable IME. Peugeot has completely lost its way in the past 10 years or so, rather sadly.

Growing up I couldn't wait to drive - my first car was always going to be a small PSA hatch. Done many thousands of miles in them and loved every single one.

Edited by SidewaysSi on Friday 25th October 11:32
Yes, good to see Pug getting some form back again.

With Ford turning out the decent new Fiesta and Focus ST, at least there is now some more choice out there.

Gary C

15,304 posts

209 months

Friday 25th October 2013
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Snappy89 said:
And on the other hand, throughout my family we've had 6 Pugs (ranging from 205 to 508) and not a single one has let us down. Maybe we were lucky right?
Yep, you have. Mines been a pig.

But strangely, I like it.

dc2rr07

1,238 posts

261 months

Friday 25th October 2013
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Just a pity the road 208 GTI looks nothing like the two pictured together.