RE: Shed of the Week: Subaru Forester XT
RE: Shed of the Week: Subaru Forester XT
Friday 25th October 2013

Shed of the Week: Subaru Forester XT

A potential bargain, or a ruinous money pit? Shed has found a turbocharged Forester with a few 'issues'



In life, what is it that separates the winner from the also-ran, the mighty from the milk toast, the rampaging rhododendron from the shrinking violet?

Looks tidy enough outside for 108k
Looks tidy enough outside for 108k
The answer, as any powerfully-built PH type will confidently tell you, is risk.

This week's Shed should be of interest to anyone with an eye for the main chance and the courage to put everything on red when everyone else is on black. Not that that really stands up as a metaphor because obviously you both have the same chance. But don't let that get in the way.

The Subaru Forester is a most worthy vehicle and no stranger to us PH Sheddites. This very clean and well-specced '54-plate XT shouldn't be within our greedy orbit, but it is because it has a whining issue that the vendor believes to be transmission related. A quick skim through the classifieds validates his valuation of £3.5k for non-whiney '04 models. Shed easily found a 128,000-miler in silver for £3995, a 78,000-miler for £5495, and one drifty dealer asking £9.5k for his shiny 57,000-mile STi import.

Just how problematic is that auto 'box?
Just how problematic is that auto 'box?
The reward for the risk-taker could be either an instant profit or a great driving car that you won't want to sell. But would it be a quick fix?

The fact that the problem cropped up immediately after an oil change, and that the problem seems to get worse with heat, suggests that there may have been some catastrophic balls-up with the grade or even the nature of the gloop used to refill the diffs. Shed knows that some quick-fit outfits have used engine oil for this. It's better than watch oil or WD40, but not much.

Maybe the designated oil-changer overfilled the diff, or didn't spot a leaky seal letting the lube out, or simply forgot to put any new stuff back in. Lord knows it's so easy to be distracted these days, what with such high-quality entertainment temptations as Strictly Come Dancing or Britain's Big Bun Bakeoff on offer. If the lube work was carried out by a garage, you do have to wonder why the owner didn't go back there with a grievance and a selection of blunt instruments to make his point.

Vendor keen to show clean wheelarches...
Vendor keen to show clean wheelarches...
Then again, this whole lubrication thing could be a red herring. There are plenty of other ways to queer up the transmission on a Subaru, or indeed many other 4x4s. Fitting tyres with different rolling circumferences will do it. Even fitting odd brands of tyre with different grip compounds can mess up the diffs. Subarus are quite fussy in this regard.

Or it might just be a dried-out driveshaft carrier bearing that picked the precise moment of the oil change to make its presence felt. Maybe even a busted CV joint. Stranger things have happened.

In the event of it needing a new differential, there's no shortage of Subaru bits or expertise about and a goodly degree of parts commonality with the Impreza. There's a guy in Bilston, Notts specialising in used Subaru diffs at £190 each including delivery. With a Forester-sized space in your garage, it could be a fun project and a potentially rewarding one given the aforementioned difference between normal retail and the Shed price.

... and headrests too!
... and headrests too!
Regarding the windows, if they need new motors (the gearbox splines can corrode and slip) you're looking at £300 a pop from Subaru, but only about a third of that from one of the many 'genuine parts' suppliers on the net. If it's a dodgy earth or switch, then obviously much less.

Of course, there's nothing to say there won't be other problems, but if we all went through life without taking risks, there'd be no Pokemon or Maccy-D Filet O' Fish. Think positively: you might buy this Forester, get home and find there's a small colony of cats stuck between the exhaust and the body. Heat build-up would certainly cause them to whine more loudly with increasing speed. In which case congratulate yourself on your wisdom and bravery, and don't forget to give the moggies a good home.

Here's the ad.

Top of the range Subaru Forester 2004 (54), Black Metallic, Mileage 108,360. Full Service History, Subaru main dealer up to 80k, remaining 2 at independent. Extras include full length sunroof, heated leather seats, cruise control. 12 Months Mot, 6 Months Tax, just been serviced and Mot at a cost of £800, including new pads and discs, new V belts, new tyre, new rear wiper including recently replaced radiator early this year at a cost of £228

Genuine car which I've owned for 6 years and it has been a fantastic utterly reliable family vehicle. The body work and interior are in good condition. I have all the invoices and related paper work to prove this has been a well kept car. 

Bad points
The gearbox oil was changed at the last service/Mot renewal on 20th Sept 2013 and since then it has developed a whining noise, therefore this will need attention, the car does drive and slots in the gears but once heated you can hear the noise, hence the bargain asking price of £950 otherwise the car is fantastic to drive and would normally sell in the region of £3.5k

2 front electric windows have also developed a fault and no longer working.

I have been honest in my description and happy to answer any further questions.

 

Author
Discussion

Carnnoisseur

Original Poster:

531 posts

184 months

Friday 25th October 2013
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Looks clean enough. Desirable if your into the "hearse" look.

Bargain motoring for those who are mechanically handy........

Limpet

6,627 posts

191 months

Friday 25th October 2013
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There could be a few quid's worth of profit in this for someone with the mechanical ability to fix the transmission. Good used gearboxes and diffs are readily available for a couple of hundred notes.

As a car, it does absolutely nothing for me at all, but as a project to tinker with and ultimately move on at a profit, it would interest me.

Trusty Steed

321 posts

224 months

Friday 25th October 2013
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Top shedding, take it to the local ironmonger, hit it a few times with a hammer and a perfect stead for the muddy lanes over winter!!

Prawnboy

1,326 posts

177 months

Friday 25th October 2013
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i like these, have a friend in swtzerland with one and it never looks out of place even next to the fancy metal round his way. Agricultural cool like the first range rover.

i feel that none of this cars problems are a cheap fix, and should't this be project of the week, as you wouldn't want to drive it and make anything worse.

dbdb

5,238 posts

203 months

Friday 25th October 2013
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It doesn't sound cheap to fix to me either. I wouldn't be interested in it, but then the Forester isn't my kind of thing and I wouldn't want it even if it is servicable.

scrwright

3,180 posts

220 months

Friday 25th October 2013
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Just what I am looking for for family bus! Is it worth the risk though? Would you really take a £2.5k hit on a car unless you knew what was up with it? Interesting the ad indicates at the service it had only 1 tyre, really could just need a set of matched tyres.

Andy ap

1,147 posts

202 months

Friday 25th October 2013
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A whining issue that coincidentally happened after an 'oil change' If done by a garage then rightly as stated why wasn't a storm kicked up (I've had to start a few because of completely bloody incompetent garages and so called transmission specialists). Or if it was done by the owner then something wasn't done right leaving me to wonder what else has been bodged or overlooked. Not sure i'd punt with hard earned on that.

renaultgeek

473 posts

178 months

Friday 25th October 2013
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what good is tax and ticket if it's going to be in a garage?

Krikkit

27,938 posts

211 months

Friday 25th October 2013
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scrwright said:
Just what I am looking for for family bus! Is it worth the risk though? Would you really take a £2.5k hit on a car unless you knew what was up with it? Interesting the ad indicates at the service it had only 1 tyre, really could just need a set of matched tyres.
I think I'd take a risk on it. Purchase and book it into a local garage (not the one that it was serviced at) and have them check the gearbox and diff fluid levels. If all looks well then a set of matching tyres would be a good start, but chances are it's a diff/box.

garycat

5,404 posts

240 months

Friday 25th October 2013
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Sounds like an ideal Wheeler Dealers car. Didn't they buy a Boxster for a bag with a similar dodgy gearbox and it just needed new oil & filter.

BFleming

3,918 posts

173 months

Friday 25th October 2013
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Part of me can't help but think the transmission oil change was carried out hoping that it would cure the whine. It didn't, and here we are. I wouldn't go there personally.

marshall100

1,124 posts

231 months

Friday 25th October 2013
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That's sorely tempting. £950 for something that when fixed should last a lifetime. Having done some work on my own the only real issue is working with stuff that's quite agricultural.

The only real fly in my ointment with this car is the auto box, but could you change that to a proper shifter while messing with it's faulty innards....?

dbdb

5,238 posts

203 months

Friday 25th October 2013
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BFleming said:
Part of me can't help but think the transmission oil change was carried out hoping that it would cure the whine. It didn't, and here we are. I wouldn't go there personally.
I wondered that too.

mrtwisty

3,057 posts

195 months

Friday 25th October 2013
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Milk toast? Pokemon? Filet-o-fish? Cats?

Those mushrooms you found growing at the bottom of your garden - stop eating them.

tomoleeds

770 posts

216 months

Friday 25th October 2013
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wont be cheap to fix, its a big job changing gearbox in any 4x4,would just buy another car

da_murphster

1,053 posts

277 months

Friday 25th October 2013
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I saw at this yesterday and was about to pick up my phone and call before I saw sense (I'm after a winter snotter and don't need the hassle)

I'm wondering if you bought it and threw it at a gargae to repair what the worst case scenerio would be?

If it was an easy fix he would have done it.

moskvich427

227 posts

205 months

Friday 25th October 2013
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garycat said:
Sounds like an ideal Wheeler Dealers car. Didn't they buy a Boxster for a bag with a similar dodgy gearbox and it just needed new oil & filter.
Was just thinking the same thing. The Mercedes SLK one springs to mind too, when the 'ruinous' non-working electric roof was cured with a new relay... sometimes a cheap fix is possible.

So somebody alert Edd China!! smile

JamStar

48 posts

252 months

Friday 25th October 2013
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Great car. My cousin has one of these. It's a seriously fast bit of kit for what it is if you can afford to keep filling it up.

Ryvita

732 posts

240 months

Friday 25th October 2013
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Drove one of these last week. Huge. Absolutely vast. surprisingly nippy. And nice equipment level on those high spec models.

Top barge car, not sure about that specific one. It's a bit of a gamble.

clarki

1,366 posts

249 months

Friday 25th October 2013
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That has got to be one of the ugliest cars made to date!!

Probably drives nice, most subarus do, but really, would that matter when it looks that terrible??

Actually...hold on...who am I to talk??!! (remembers the renault megane parked at home, lol)