New M4 - too close to a 335i for comfort?
New M4 - too close to a 335i for comfort?
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wax lyrical

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1,066 posts

271 months

Sunday 27th October 2013
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Seems like the new M4 is just a glorified 335i! Better suspension perhaps, but not much else - discuss!

RGambo

886 posts

199 months

Sunday 27th October 2013
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Is an M5 a glorified 550i ??

M3greg

220 posts

156 months

Sunday 27th October 2013
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Unless they've really made a big mistake, I strongly doubt it will be anything like the 435i. From my (admittedly limited) experience, the M cars are much tighter, more focused vehicles than the "normal" model they're derived from.

I can vouch for my E90 M3 being a totally different ball game from the other E90 3-series I've driven (335i, 330d, 335d). I can't imagine it won't be the same with the new M3/4.

cerb4.5lee

44,972 posts

210 months

Sunday 27th October 2013
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I am always very pedantic about the M3 & just call it a 3 series with a nice engine under the bonnet but in reality the M3 is genuinely 80% different including body/suspension/chassis/brakes/engine & I agree having owned a E90 330d & E92 M3 they are poles apart...but the M3 is still a 3 series when all said & done.

Panthro

781 posts

248 months

Sunday 27th October 2013
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wax lyrical said:
Seems like the new M4 is just a glorified 335i! Better suspension perhaps, but not much else - discuss!
What is there to discuss other than how ridiculous your statement is.

Wills2

29,750 posts

205 months

Sunday 27th October 2013
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Panthro said:
wax lyrical said:
Seems like the new M4 is just a glorified 335i! Better suspension perhaps, but not much else - discuss!
What is there to discuss other than how ridiculous your statement is.
Indeed.

Craigwww

853 posts

199 months

Sunday 27th October 2013
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cerb4.5lee said:
....I agree having owned a E90 330d & E92 M3 they are poles apart...but the M3 is still a 3 series when all said & done.
A bit of a silly statement also, believe it or not that's what the '3' stands for in ///M3.

cerb4.5lee

44,972 posts

210 months

Sunday 27th October 2013
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Craigwww said:
cerb4.5lee said:
....I agree having owned a E90 330d & E92 M3 they are poles apart...but the M3 is still a 3 series when all said & done.
A bit of a silly statement also, believe it or not that's what the '3' stands for in ///M3.
I know what you are saying but I meant the M3 isn't a purpose built performance machine it's based on a bog standard saloon car & that's not a great place to start in the first place imo.

A true drivers car should be designed to be a performance car in the first place not the other way round that's what I am getting at.

-Z-

8,366 posts

236 months

Sunday 27th October 2013
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cerb4.5lee said:
I know what you are saying but I meant the M3 isn't a purpose built performance machine it's based on a bog standard saloon car & that's not a great place to start in the first place imo.

A true drivers car should be designed to be a performance car in the first place not the other way round that's what I am getting at.
True, but on the other hand, that's why M3's and M5's are so much cheaper than the purpose built machines whose performance they match.

Timbergiant

995 posts

160 months

Sunday 27th October 2013
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I'll let you know. rolleyes

Panda P

247 posts

166 months

Monday 28th October 2013
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As I believe it the M4 will have twin-turbo's as opposed to the twin-scroll turbo in the 435i (N55 engine). The Twin-scroll unit in the N55 could not hope to reach the estimated 430bhp power output of the M4 engine as it runs out of puff way before then.

JMRS4

2,404 posts

228 months

Monday 28th October 2013
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cerb4.5lee said:
I know what you are saying but I meant the M3 isn't a purpose built performance machine it's based on a bog standard saloon car & that's not a great place to start in the first place imo.

A true drivers car should be designed to be a performance car in the first place not the other way round that's what I am getting at.
After having the E90 M3 and 335D, the M3 was poles above the three series but interiors were not.
It drove miles different.
I had the F10 550i M Sport and now have the LCI M5 2014 model, these are poles apart also, but interiors are not.

You have to base the "M" cars on basic saloons as has been mentioned "Cost" would be way to high to develop "individual M models", we would be looking at Ferrari prices.eek

JMRS4

2,404 posts

228 months

Monday 28th October 2013
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JMRS4 said:
After having the E90 M3 and 335D, the M3 was poles above the three series but interiors were not.
It drove miles different.
I had the F10 550i M Sport and now have the LCI M5 2014 model, these are poles apart also, but interiors are not.

You have to base the "M" cars on basic saloons as has been mentioned "Cost" would be way to high to develop "individual M models", we would be looking at Ferrari prices.eek
Look at the I8 BMW for price.

V8A*ndy

3,703 posts

221 months

Monday 28th October 2013
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Surely BMW have chucked everything at the M4.

It will be great and then some.

wheelsmith

138 posts

172 months

Monday 28th October 2013
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wax lyrical said:
Seems like the new M4 is just a glorified 335i! Better suspension perhaps, but not much else - discuss!
You'd only think that if you only compare performance figures on the internet, in reality the m4 will be more involving, handle better and be more adjustably generally, rather than a swift but dull car.

ady702

376 posts

177 months

Monday 28th October 2013
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Thats like saying a 1M is a glorified 135i lol

Wills2

29,750 posts

205 months

Monday 28th October 2013
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If anyone is in any doubt as to the work that has gone into and the differences between a 435i and the new M4, read this thread:

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=...


gaz1234

5,233 posts

249 months

Monday 28th October 2013
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cerb4.5lee said:
I am always very pedantic about the M3 & just call it a 3 series with a nice engine under the bonnet but in reality the M3 is genuinely 80% different including body/suspension/chassis/brakes/engine & I agree having owned a E90 330d & E92 M3 they are poles apart...but the M3 is still a 3 series when all said & done.
Same as a 911 derived from a beetle

0836whimper

983 posts

228 months

Monday 28th October 2013
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A work colleague sent me a picture of the new M4 in a dealers today :



I asked why he sent me a picture of a 428i and he replied to say he didn't notice that, just saw a 4 series and a M logo...

Babw

1,066 posts

176 months

Monday 28th October 2013
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Wills2 said:
If anyone is in any doubt as to the work that has gone into and the differences between a 435i and the new M4, read this thread:

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=...

A lot of bespoke work has obviously gone into it but it's still 50% a bog standard 3 series (according to the link), which is no bad thing because the new 3 series is a very nice car.