Finally bought an E10 BMW!
Discussion
Morning all
I've finally bought a car worthy (see old enough) of posting in here!
She's a 75' 1602 (lux?) with a 2002tii engine, but now carb'd. Not entirely sure how that came about.
All the parts are there and she isn't as bad as I thought it would be. Nonetheless, there's plenty of bodywork to do, and hopefully the majority of it I'll be able to do myself.
First thing is first. I want to get her running and driving, just so I know the oily bits all still work.
Is there anyone on here into the older bmw's? Anyone familiar with the M10 engine?
I'm hoping to be a regular on here from now on!
Cheers
Dean
I've finally bought a car worthy (see old enough) of posting in here!
She's a 75' 1602 (lux?) with a 2002tii engine, but now carb'd. Not entirely sure how that came about.
All the parts are there and she isn't as bad as I thought it would be. Nonetheless, there's plenty of bodywork to do, and hopefully the majority of it I'll be able to do myself.
First thing is first. I want to get her running and driving, just so I know the oily bits all still work.
Is there anyone on here into the older bmw's? Anyone familiar with the M10 engine?
I'm hoping to be a regular on here from now on!
Cheers
Dean
Fantastic, I've had a few in the past. Mostly tourings though. The m10 is bulletproof, my plan was to put the injection stuff and the flywheel/clutch (it's much, much lighter)from an e30 318i (also the m10) on top of mine. That way it'd make more power and start/run better. At the time I didn't really have a clue but now I know more it'd be a really easy thing to do. I got fed up of the rust issues with mine, that box on the bulkhead that has the heater in it was rusted and without a garage I just couldn't be bothered.
Good luck with yours, I'll be watching this thread.
Good luck with yours, I'll be watching this thread.
Fantastic cars !
I Recently sold my Inca 2002 Tii to a guy who is restoring it
Re rot, they rot every where, but worst spots are doors, sills, rear arches, inner front wings, bulkhead seam above the transmission tunnel where it is double skinned, roof skin ( sunroof cars ) boot floor and the tank well and also the rear shock towers ( double skinned )
Foruneately both BMW classic and Walloth and Nesch do a great range of repair panels.
I Recently sold my Inca 2002 Tii to a guy who is restoring it
Re rot, they rot every where, but worst spots are doors, sills, rear arches, inner front wings, bulkhead seam above the transmission tunnel where it is double skinned, roof skin ( sunroof cars ) boot floor and the tank well and also the rear shock towers ( double skinned )
Foruneately both BMW classic and Walloth and Nesch do a great range of repair panels.
Cheers for that Neutral. Out of that lot, the doors and rear panel look like they've had it. Probably need a bootlid, and the floor pans look like they need some new metal in there. Other than that, it'll be silly bits cutting out and surface rust removal (I hope!).
The wiring under the bonnet looks a mess too. It's all there but wires are all over the place and going nowhere!
I'll be making this a solid driver but not exactly back to original. If it was a roundie tii then maybe, but I fancy some wider wheels under turbo arches and in a metallic grey. That's a long way off but I need something to aim for!
I'm looking for the plugs, leads, dizzy etc to get her running for the time being. What's the newest model BMW that used the same engine as my 2.0 M10? I'm thinking I'd be able to get the serviceable bits from the likes of Euro car parts or GSF.
Any info on anything is much appreciated on this car. It's square one for me, both in restoration and this type of bmw
The wiring under the bonnet looks a mess too. It's all there but wires are all over the place and going nowhere!
I'll be making this a solid driver but not exactly back to original. If it was a roundie tii then maybe, but I fancy some wider wheels under turbo arches and in a metallic grey. That's a long way off but I need something to aim for!
I'm looking for the plugs, leads, dizzy etc to get her running for the time being. What's the newest model BMW that used the same engine as my 2.0 M10? I'm thinking I'd be able to get the serviceable bits from the likes of Euro car parts or GSF.
Any info on anything is much appreciated on this car. It's square one for me, both in restoration and this type of bmw
Because of its age very little will be available from gsf or euro.
Check out Walloth and Nesch they will have every thing you need body and mechanical. Boot lids bonnets, foot wells, lower rear corners all rot on these cars. The design of the body shell is similar to all Bmws of the period inc the E3 and the E9 Coupes.
Go onto google images and check out the 2002 photos, they were very successfull race and rally cars back in the early 70s.
BMW classic will provide you with a heritage type certificate. Contact Jsmie at Park Lane BMW, he is very helpfull. There is also an 02 Forum.
Check out Walloth and Nesch they will have every thing you need body and mechanical. Boot lids bonnets, foot wells, lower rear corners all rot on these cars. The design of the body shell is similar to all Bmws of the period inc the E3 and the E9 Coupes.
Go onto google images and check out the 2002 photos, they were very successfull race and rally cars back in the early 70s.
BMW classic will provide you with a heritage type certificate. Contact Jsmie at Park Lane BMW, he is very helpfull. There is also an 02 Forum.
Have done a fair bit of restoration work on these. A 2002 on carbs can be a thoroughly entertaining car. The purists obsess about mechanical injection, but a pair of Webers is a lot less painful, more powerful, and sounds superb. The body does rust, of course, but it'a a nice strong body shell, which restores very well. The engine is extremely strong and very abuse resistant.
Some people argue that the best way to go is to build an M2!
I have happy memories of hounding one round Donngton on 8x13 from/9 x13 rear ATS wheels, huge fun.
Some people argue that the best way to go is to build an M2!
I have happy memories of hounding one round Donngton on 8x13 from/9 x13 rear ATS wheels, huge fun.
Flatinfourth. Really looking forward to doing this. Not sure what an M2 is?
I don't think that sticker is there anymore. I'll have to have a look but would they put it in the window of a 1602? I thought that'd be left for the top models.
I'm gonna be picking all your brains when I get down and dirty with this car. I'm a complete novice when it comes to this stuff. I'll get in touch with Jaymic tomorrow and find out how much plugs, filters, leads etc so I can get her running and start a readers rides thread.
In the meantime, if there's any tips you can share with the restoration of these cars, maybe cars that share parts or anything else, please let us know.
I've actually been thinking what the best way to get down to bare metal (want to do it myself). How do you lot do it? Wire wheels? Paint stripper and elbow grease? Please share your methods
Cheers guys
I don't think that sticker is there anymore. I'll have to have a look but would they put it in the window of a 1602? I thought that'd be left for the top models.
I'm gonna be picking all your brains when I get down and dirty with this car. I'm a complete novice when it comes to this stuff. I'll get in touch with Jaymic tomorrow and find out how much plugs, filters, leads etc so I can get her running and start a readers rides thread.
In the meantime, if there's any tips you can share with the restoration of these cars, maybe cars that share parts or anything else, please let us know.
I've actually been thinking what the best way to get down to bare metal (want to do it myself). How do you lot do it? Wire wheels? Paint stripper and elbow grease? Please share your methods
Cheers guys
[quote=DeanR32]Flatinfourth. Really looking forward to doing this. Not sure what an M2 is?
I don't think that sticker is there anymore. I'll have to have a look but would they put it in the window of a 1602? I thought that'd be left for the top models.
I'm gonna be picking all your brains when I get down and dirty with this car. I'm a complete novice when it comes to this stuff. I'll get in touch with Jaymic tomorrow and find out how much plugs, filters, leads etc so I can get her running and start a readers rides thread.
In the meantime, if there's any tips you can share with the restoration of these cars, maybe cars that share parts or anything else, please let us know.
I've actually been thinking what the best way to get down to bare metal (want to do it myself). How do you lot do it? Wire wheels? Paint stripper and elbow grease? Please share your methods
Cheers guys
An M2 is a special. Basically a 2002 fitted with the final incarnation of that motor, the 16 valve unit from an E30 M3. Lighter, more retro and much more cool than an M3, and quicker. Better to start with a car with limited or compromised value rather than a perfect 2002. I'm not sure whether there were 16 valve specials around when the cars were being raced, wouldn't be surprised to find that there were, the 3.0CSL used the six cylinder version of that engine block, and there were some pretty hairy versions of that by the mid seventies (leading production wise to the M1)
are you absolutely sure that you want or need to bare metal the whole shell? That immediately makes for an epic restoration and thousands of loose parts, ok if you have time, money and dry space. nothing wrong with good localised repairs, you can still blast things off if the right guys do it. I need to be at my workshop so will follow up later
Cheers Peter
I don't think that sticker is there anymore. I'll have to have a look but would they put it in the window of a 1602? I thought that'd be left for the top models.
I'm gonna be picking all your brains when I get down and dirty with this car. I'm a complete novice when it comes to this stuff. I'll get in touch with Jaymic tomorrow and find out how much plugs, filters, leads etc so I can get her running and start a readers rides thread.
In the meantime, if there's any tips you can share with the restoration of these cars, maybe cars that share parts or anything else, please let us know.
I've actually been thinking what the best way to get down to bare metal (want to do it myself). How do you lot do it? Wire wheels? Paint stripper and elbow grease? Please share your methods
Cheers guys
An M2 is a special. Basically a 2002 fitted with the final incarnation of that motor, the 16 valve unit from an E30 M3. Lighter, more retro and much more cool than an M3, and quicker. Better to start with a car with limited or compromised value rather than a perfect 2002. I'm not sure whether there were 16 valve specials around when the cars were being raced, wouldn't be surprised to find that there were, the 3.0CSL used the six cylinder version of that engine block, and there were some pretty hairy versions of that by the mid seventies (leading production wise to the M1)
are you absolutely sure that you want or need to bare metal the whole shell? That immediately makes for an epic restoration and thousands of loose parts, ok if you have time, money and dry space. nothing wrong with good localised repairs, you can still blast things off if the right guys do it. I need to be at my workshop so will follow up later
Cheers Peter
Hi Peter
I reckon I could get away with local repairs. Sills have been done (albeit at least a decade ago) and still look solid. I'll have the engine out and sort out what needs doing up front. The bloke I bought it from stuck a new front panel on her but only tacked it in place. It also needs a real good rubbing down as it has pitted a bit all over with rust. Still solid but needs work. I'll wire wheel where it needs and go from there. Do you reckon a wire wheel would do the trick on the rust and reveal where the works needed?
I'll do what I can get away with. I really don't fancy taking the windows out!
I reckon I could get away with local repairs. Sills have been done (albeit at least a decade ago) and still look solid. I'll have the engine out and sort out what needs doing up front. The bloke I bought it from stuck a new front panel on her but only tacked it in place. It also needs a real good rubbing down as it has pitted a bit all over with rust. Still solid but needs work. I'll wire wheel where it needs and go from there. Do you reckon a wire wheel would do the trick on the rust and reveal where the works needed?
I'll do what I can get away with. I really don't fancy taking the windows out!
Good choice! I'm biased though.
The m10 engine is tough as old boots. Just likes regular oil changes but DON'T use modern synthetic or semi-synthetic stuff. Halfrauds do a mineral 'classic' engine oil, which is perfect and not expensive. Plugs and oil filter should be on the shelf there too. (or GSF & Euro Car Parts) I imagine new points wouldn't be a bad thing! Jaymic will also have most stuff, along with Park Lane BMW (Classic section) I drive my 02 as a daily and it's great fun. Easily coped with London to Birmingham and back, in a day.
If you're looking for any used parts and/or advice call Jamie at JFI Classics, as he specialises in 02's.
http://www.jficlassiccars.co.uk/
If you have all the injection from the tii you could retro fit it but it is complicated. Also notorious for poor running when not set up correctly! If the metering pump is knackered a new one is big bucks. You'd be better off with the L-jet system from an e30 318i (which I just happen to have spare) A tii made 130bhp but twin 40's can get you 120, as per ti spec. They sound great too! If it's going to be a daily though, get a Weber 28/36 or similar. There's a new, direct replacement available off the shelf for about £295. You'll get smoother running, a bit more grunt and it's about the only engine mod' worth doing, without stripping it down. If the engine smokes on overrun, it means new valve stem oil seals and/or guides. The timing chains can stretch over the years and whist unlikely to ever snap, that will effect timing and rob you of some performance. The m10 is an awesome engine though, which I guess is why BMW stuck with it for so long?! Using an s14 engine is a nice idea but you'll need deep pockets. Anything e30 M3 related is stupid money nowadays. If your engine is shot, get one from an e21 or 318i e30. They can be bought for peanuts and will benefit from BMW electronic ignition. I'd be surprised if yours won't run though. I've pulled cars from deep within hedgerows before and they just needed fresh fuel and a battery!
Turbo arches are quite a big job. Unless you're competent with bodywork, or the standard arches are all shot, I would aim to just get it on the road first. There is a restoration guide, written by Mike MaCartney available via Amazone, or direct from Jaymic.
Anyway, good luck and look forward to more pics.
Here's mine.
There's an m10 in this also.
http://retrorides.proboards.com/thread/68744/grp2-...
The m10 engine is tough as old boots. Just likes regular oil changes but DON'T use modern synthetic or semi-synthetic stuff. Halfrauds do a mineral 'classic' engine oil, which is perfect and not expensive. Plugs and oil filter should be on the shelf there too. (or GSF & Euro Car Parts) I imagine new points wouldn't be a bad thing! Jaymic will also have most stuff, along with Park Lane BMW (Classic section) I drive my 02 as a daily and it's great fun. Easily coped with London to Birmingham and back, in a day.
If you're looking for any used parts and/or advice call Jamie at JFI Classics, as he specialises in 02's.
http://www.jficlassiccars.co.uk/
If you have all the injection from the tii you could retro fit it but it is complicated. Also notorious for poor running when not set up correctly! If the metering pump is knackered a new one is big bucks. You'd be better off with the L-jet system from an e30 318i (which I just happen to have spare) A tii made 130bhp but twin 40's can get you 120, as per ti spec. They sound great too! If it's going to be a daily though, get a Weber 28/36 or similar. There's a new, direct replacement available off the shelf for about £295. You'll get smoother running, a bit more grunt and it's about the only engine mod' worth doing, without stripping it down. If the engine smokes on overrun, it means new valve stem oil seals and/or guides. The timing chains can stretch over the years and whist unlikely to ever snap, that will effect timing and rob you of some performance. The m10 is an awesome engine though, which I guess is why BMW stuck with it for so long?! Using an s14 engine is a nice idea but you'll need deep pockets. Anything e30 M3 related is stupid money nowadays. If your engine is shot, get one from an e21 or 318i e30. They can be bought for peanuts and will benefit from BMW electronic ignition. I'd be surprised if yours won't run though. I've pulled cars from deep within hedgerows before and they just needed fresh fuel and a battery!
Turbo arches are quite a big job. Unless you're competent with bodywork, or the standard arches are all shot, I would aim to just get it on the road first. There is a restoration guide, written by Mike MaCartney available via Amazone, or direct from Jaymic.
Anyway, good luck and look forward to more pics.
Here's mine.
There's an m10 in this also.
http://retrorides.proboards.com/thread/68744/grp2-...
Thanks Mark. Exactly what I wanted to hear with the plugs etc. your car is stunning by the way.
I'll oil up the bores, get the bits and an oil change and hopefully fire her up.
Am I worrying too much about the wiring under the bonnet? In all fairness there doesn't seem to be that much of it and it must only be doing the light, indicators etc!
As you say, turbo arches are not a necessity, and there's loads of work involved, and my arches are actually very good so I might just leave them and get her up and running and look into it at a later date.
I think I'd prefer carbs to injection so I'll leave it as is. Is there any benefits having a tii engine over a standard one?
I'm itching to get stuck into her now!!!
I'll oil up the bores, get the bits and an oil change and hopefully fire her up.
Am I worrying too much about the wiring under the bonnet? In all fairness there doesn't seem to be that much of it and it must only be doing the light, indicators etc!
As you say, turbo arches are not a necessity, and there's loads of work involved, and my arches are actually very good so I might just leave them and get her up and running and look into it at a later date.
I think I'd prefer carbs to injection so I'll leave it as is. Is there any benefits having a tii engine over a standard one?
I'm itching to get stuck into her now!!!
The tii engine has bigger valves (as does the auto) so will work well with a Weber conversion. You could get a lumpy cam and 4 branch exhaust manifold, but you won't make massive gains. Much as I like the m10 engine, they're simply not cheap to modify. If you're not worried about originality, it's cheaper to replace a knackered engine. The e30 318i one in my track car came with all the injection etc still fitted and cost me £70.
If I were you, I would whip out the interior and carpet to see how solid the floors are. Also check rear subframe mounts as they can rot out there. Rust will be the biggest issue as mechanicals are pretty cheap and simple.
If I were you, I would whip out the interior and carpet to see how solid the floors are. Also check rear subframe mounts as they can rot out there. Rust will be the biggest issue as mechanicals are pretty cheap and simple.
M10s are not paticularly cheap to modify, hence the M2 route if you are planning to get a bit carried away. But they do tune well, if you fancy it. That TI engine wasn't chosen by Chevron for the B8 for nothing. There are plenty of nice ATS wheels on ebay.de.
Rear beam mounts, top shock mounts, front strut tops, inner wing joint to bulkhead, sills all need to be examined.
All good fun!
Rear beam mounts, top shock mounts, front strut tops, inner wing joint to bulkhead, sills all need to be examined.
All good fun!
Thanks you two. There's a couple bits to do to the floor but I don't think it goes as far as new pans needed. I'll check when I get a chance.
I don't need this to be blindingly quick, just nippy and noisy. I got something else for the speed. I just want a solid enough good looking weekend car.
I'll keep you guys updated as I go. Should have it running by the end of the week!
I don't need this to be blindingly quick, just nippy and noisy. I got something else for the speed. I just want a solid enough good looking weekend car.
I'll keep you guys updated as I go. Should have it running by the end of the week!
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