Possible bodywork damage. Advice pls.
Possible bodywork damage. Advice pls.
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caduceus

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6,126 posts

296 months

Saturday 9th November 2013
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mab1

390 posts

257 months

Saturday 9th November 2013
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I am sure a more knowledgable person will be along soon, but that looks like impact damage to me. They way the sealant seems to have lifted around the light lense also looks it's been dislodged by a bump...

swisstoni

24,036 posts

309 months

Saturday 9th November 2013
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Looks like a pretty strong shove on the back. Would definitely take some advice on here before proceeding.

phillpot

17,512 posts

213 months

Saturday 9th November 2013
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Looks like that's had a whack, or reversed into something with a bit of a thump!

Wouldn't think it's a structural problem but doesn't look very pretty... guess it all depends how much the car is?

gruffalo

8,155 posts

256 months

Sunday 10th November 2013
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Yes, Plasticman is the go to person I would say.

shake n bake

2,221 posts

237 months

Sunday 10th November 2013
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That is just evidence of a bump along the way at some point. Not heavy, just enough to crack the paint and gel coat. There are probably very few cars out there with completely original paint. use at as a bargaining tool, a few hundred pounds off to cover some nice new paint!

Actually, looking at the first picture, there's a couple of dimples that are evidence that its been painted before.

Fastpedeller

4,350 posts

176 months

Sunday 10th November 2013
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shake n bake said:
That is just evidence of a bump along the way at some point. Not heavy, just enough to crack the paint and gel coat. There are probably very few cars out there with completely original paint. use at as a bargaining tool, a few hundred pounds off to cover some nice new paint!

Actually, looking at the first picture, there's a couple of dimples that are evidence that its been painted before.
Will take a bit more than a bit of filler and a splash of paint to fix it - needs doing properly.

rickprice

498 posts

268 months

Sunday 10th November 2013
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If you have to ask the question, you know the answer, as they say. Looks knackered to me...

It looks like you want to walk away - what's stopping you?

Don't know if you can do an insurance claim search or something, but as you say - that does not look like normal wear and tear.


Rich


LMMAC

230 posts

182 months

Sunday 10th November 2013
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There are still plenty of nice cars out there ! Walk away !

roseytvr

1,790 posts

208 months

Sunday 10th November 2013
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LMMAC said:
There are still plenty of nice cars out there ! Walk away !
Tend to agree unless of course you are buying at project money

swisstoni

24,036 posts

309 months

Sunday 10th November 2013
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caduceus said:
Fastpedeller said:
Will take a bit more than a bit of filler and a splash of paint to fix it - needs doing properly.
Could you elaborate please kind sir? I'm a noob when it comes to bodywork. I thought it'd just need rubbing down to the grp, filling, smoothing and then paint... confused
I'm not a pro but those cracks have to be stopped from spreading (I think they drill a hole at the end of each crack) and then repaired with glass fibre then filled and painted as per a normal car. Also those cracks may have spread further than currently meets the eye.
So it's not necessarily a simple rub down and blow over.


rickprice

498 posts

268 months

Monday 11th November 2013
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Spray on exhaust suggests real amateur fix. Which begs the question of how much else has been fixed on a shoestring.

If the shell has significant damage then you may be looking at a new shell, or part thereof. Budget big.

I would suggest you get it checked out by the local dealer. They may charge you for this, but nothing like what it will cost to put right. A couple of hunded quid at this stage would be money well spent.

Rich


Fastpedeller

4,350 posts

176 months

Monday 11th November 2013
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It would need the surface grinding where the cracks are, and re-matting, preferably gel-coating (rather than filling), and then repaint. I'd suggest that unless you're doing it yourself (I guess not), then it would cost a LOT of money to get someone else to do it properly - Beware the 'we know what we are doing' guys who will give a price and then just fill and spray... It won't be good.
As a guide I bought a small (ok it was cheap) GRP trailer with cracks on the body, and it has taken me a huge number of hours to get it anywhere near fixed - If I'd paid someone to do it I'd be looking at many hundreds. Much cheaper to get a good one in the first place.

TJC46

2,199 posts

236 months

Monday 11th November 2013
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caduceus said:
This car is a '97 4.5.

What would you call project money for this car in its condition? Interior leather is shot, but carpets ok. Engine does run. Some electrical issues. Outriggers appear ok. Fractured n/s header. Hood is faded. Water ingress in passenger footwell, also boot. Rear HAS seen paint (overspray on exhausts).Not driven the car yet. Nor has it been up on a ramp.

Service history A4 folder is patchy. Awaiting leather bound service history booklet to see if it's any better.
Best guess....2k to 3k. It will cost you double that figure just to sort all the bodywork problems out and paint. At least 2k to sort out the interior.

Electrical issues....could be simple but then it could get expensive....immobiliser issues, hot start problems,these cars need to be driven, the longer they are stood for the more problems you will have.

THE CHASSIS OUTRIGGERS WILL BE SHOT.....most chims will need this doing sooner or later, another 1.5k to 2k there as a minimum.

Engine runs...but what like! Whats the mileage? Whats the camshaft like?

Suspension bushes and drivetrain? All can get expensive if there are any problems.

Most of us have all, or some of the above during a period of ownership. Read this forum and you will see what i mean.....BUT.....to have all this work to do from day one, on a car that has possibly had crash damage[looking at your pics]i would leave well alone.

Shall i continue or do you really want to hear what you should do................RUN AWAY.....DONT WALK AWAY.



Edited by TJC46 on Monday 11th November 12:15

V8 GRF

7,299 posts

240 months

Monday 11th November 2013
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Fastpedeller said:
It would need the surface grinding where the cracks are, and re-matting, preferably gel-coating (rather than filling), and then repaint. I'd suggest that unless you're doing it yourself (I guess not), then it would cost a LOT of money to get someone else to do it properly - Beware the 'we know what we are doing' guys who will give a price and then just fill and spray... It won't be good.
As a guide I bought a small (ok it was cheap) GRP trailer with cracks on the body, and it has taken me a huge number of hours to get it anywhere near fixed - If I'd paid someone to do it I'd be looking at many hundreds. Much cheaper to get a good one in the first place.
yes agree with all of that and to do it properly/professionally you're looking in the low thousands imo.

So yes unless it's less than £4k and otherwise tidy I'd be walking.

TA14

14,332 posts

288 months

Monday 11th November 2013
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V8 GRF said:
Fastpedeller said:
It would need the surface grinding where the cracks are, and re-matting, preferably gel-coating (rather than filling), and then repaint. I'd suggest that unless you're doing it yourself (I guess not), then it would cost a LOT of money to get someone else to do it properly - Beware the 'we know what we are doing' guys who will give a price and then just fill and spray... It won't be good.
As a guide I bought a small (ok it was cheap) GRP trailer with cracks on the body, and it has taken me a huge number of hours to get it anywhere near fixed - If I'd paid someone to do it I'd be looking at many hundreds. Much cheaper to get a good one in the first place.
yes agree with all of that and to do it properly/professionally you're looking in the low thousands imo.

So yes unless it's less than £4k and otherwise tidy I'd be walking.
Apart from omitting the tissue from the Gel so that it's no longer a gel coat.

It's hard to assess the extent of the damage but from what you can see to do it your self you'd probably and up glassing one side, repairing the other side then grinding off the first side and possibly reglassing. A professional job is probably looking at a quarter body or what ever you can buy off the shelf.

plasticman

908 posts

281 months

Tuesday 12th November 2013
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I emailed you at 09.52 yesterday .

rickprice

498 posts

268 months

Tuesday 19th November 2013
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Well, what was the final result?


SILICONEKID343HP

14,997 posts

261 months

Tuesday 19th November 2013
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Can I offer my services ,got a roll of fibreglass and resin .cool

v8 racing

2,064 posts

281 months

Tuesday 19th November 2013
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rickprice said:
Well, what was the final result?
I assuming if he offered 2k for a 97 450 he is probably still in hospital lol