Why can't tyre places put the right amount of air in..?
Why can't tyre places put the right amount of air in..?
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Original Poster:

5,198 posts

281 months

Sunday 10th November 2013
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Ever!

Just had my winter wheels + tyres fitted. Flap on fuel filler says 39psi all round. One tyre measures 33psi, two 27psi and one 22psi. Also, checking the nuts, all of them can be moved easily simply using the teeny car-supplied wrench.

Last set of tyres, fitted by a mobile company has all pressures up almost 10psi above suggested.

Place before that, all tyres flat as a pancake, just like this time.

How hard can it be?

We're always told to check nuts 50 miles (or 24 hrs) after fitting, but checking pressures never mentioned! Why are they always set so far out of suggested figures? confused

Riley Blue

23,205 posts

256 months

Sunday 10th November 2013
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How hard can it be? No harder than telling them the pressures you want in the tyres - it works every time for me.

vrsmxtb

2,003 posts

186 months

Sunday 10th November 2013
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Because they don't give a rat's arse sadly!

Luffehamp

88 posts

185 months

Sunday 10th November 2013
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Because it's quicker. Instead of faffing about letting a bit of air out or putting a bit more in they move onto the next job sadly. That's after they've torqued the wheels up with a windy gun.

It's why I take 10 minutes of my own time to put the right pressure in and torque them up myself.

Garvin

5,646 posts

207 months

Sunday 10th November 2013
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ATS fitted rear tyres to my Z4 a few months ago. They used a standard air line to initially inflate the tyre off the car and seat the bead correctly before balancing. When on the car they connected an 'air' line from a fandangular machine, dialled in the required pressure and the machine then purged all the air out of the tyre and refilled with nitrogen. Once home I checked the pressures and they were spot on - quite impressed!

Silent1

19,762 posts

265 months

Sunday 10th November 2013
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Just because you can move the nuts doesn't mean they're not done up right, in fact nowadays the torque on them isn't that high.

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Original Poster:

5,198 posts

281 months

Sunday 10th November 2013
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Silent1 said:
Just because you can move the nuts doesn't mean they're not done up right, in fact nowadays the torque on them isn't that high.
True, but after nearly having wheels fall off once (new tyres just fitted, long motorway journey followed, turns out their machine was faulty as I was the third to report dangerous level of looseness) I like to be sure. If the small car supplied wrench can move them easily I think they could probably do with tightening. Torque wrench on my Christmas list though smile

I'm sure we all here check pressures, but I'm equally sure most out there don't and would expect them to be set correctly initially.

RobM77

35,349 posts

264 months

Sunday 10th November 2013
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I wouldn't mind betting most non-car people barely ever check their tyre pressures, so based on that I think it's irresponsible for tyre fitters to save a couple of minutes per customer by just chucking in an average amount in each tyre (~35psi).

It's also counter productive, because many cars feel absolutely great on the right pressures and lousy not on them, and for those people who never check their tyre pressures it would feel amazing driving home from the tyre fitter if they'd set the correct pressures. They'd be back for more business, that's for sure. Personally I always take a pressure gauge and a pump and stop in a layby just outside the tyre place to put the pressure right before I drive home. I'm sure I'd also be back for more business if they set them right too!

Someone mentioned wheelnut torques as well - that's very common and in my mind irresponsible. For the majority of people who don't own a torque wrench to reset them after a visit to a tyre place (as I do) they'll discover one day that they get a flat tyre and can't undo the nuts with the wrench supplied with the car...

Zoobeef

6,004 posts

188 months

Sunday 10th November 2013
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They are done to 90NM on my track car. I can undo that with a normal sized 1/2 inch ratchet. Feels like they are just nipped up.

Correct torque is more important when using aluminium wheels.

Patrick Bateman

13,204 posts

204 months

Sunday 10th November 2013
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As annoying as it is I can't help but think I'd come across as a condescending cock if I told them the pressures.

WaferThinHam

1,680 posts

160 months

Sunday 10th November 2013
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RobM77 said:
It's also counter productive, because many cars feel absolutely great on the right pressures and lousy not on them, and for those people who never check their tyre pressures it would feel amazing driving home from the tyre fitter if they'd set the correct pressures. They'd be back for more business, that's for sure. Personally I always take a pressure gauge and a pump and stop in a layby just outside the tyre place to put the pressure right before I drive home. I'm sure I'd also be back for more business if they set them right too!
Don't think the majority of drivers on the road would know what felt good, or rubbish on the road to be honest with you.

psychoR1

1,114 posts

217 months

Sunday 10th November 2013
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Black circles premier dealer put 45psi in mine against 33psi spec - positively dangerous - absolute retards if you ask me!

Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

197 months

Sunday 10th November 2013
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Op, did they found that your brakes/shock absorbers, track rod ends/ piss take valves needed replacing? Swapped my wheels on the company vehicle on Friday, we don't have a torque wrench and a 1/2 inch drive impact gun isn't man enough to tighten them (or undo them) properly so had 5 feet of bar and swung on that, should be tight enough

telecat

8,528 posts

271 months

Sunday 10th November 2013
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The Tyre fitter I use uses a torque wrench and asks the pressure to set them to. Certainly better than the majority of the big outfits I have used.

leafspring

7,032 posts

167 months

Sunday 10th November 2013
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Our Land Rover is ex government (from the 1960's) as such has the tyre pressures painted on the wing over each wheel arch... 26psi in BIG numbers.

always... always...always new tyres are over 32psi sometimes as high as 40 confused

Plank

147 posts

296 months

Sunday 10th November 2013
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Daughter has 2 new tyres fitted to the C2 yesterday. Checked em when she came back. youve guessed it 40 PSI !
I wonder how many trusting people are bouncing along the road?

kambites

71,565 posts

251 months

Sunday 10th November 2013
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You all use the wrong tyre fitter. smile

leafspring

7,032 posts

167 months

Sunday 10th November 2013
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I thought you over pressurise new tubeless tyres to seat the bead properly and then deflate to required pressure?

Maybe speed fitters just forget the last bit...

Jakg

4,050 posts

198 months

Sunday 10th November 2013
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kambites said:
You all use the wrong tyre fitter. smile
This...

Whenever I got to my favourite tyre fitters (god how sad does that sound...), they only use the airgun to undo the bolts, tightened up by hand, checked with a torque wrench, pressures are always good too (~30-32PSI whenever I check afterwards).

shakindog

514 posts

180 months

Sunday 10th November 2013
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When was the last time your pressure gauge was calibrated.
Most of the larger chains will have them calibrated at least every 6 months.