RE: Harris goes 4x4 shopping: PH Blog
RE: Harris goes 4x4 shopping: PH Blog
Thursday 14th November 2013

Harris goes 4x4 shopping: PH Blog

The Range Rover is dead, long live the... um... er...



Spend the pounds and the pennies will look after themselves. I have got that the right way round, haven’t I?

It’s certainly the mantra I’ve used to underpin every car purchase of the past 20 years, but it has culminated in a strange set of behaviours that now leave me unable to choose which old off-roader to buy for winter. I’ve bought supercars standing in a showroom I had no intention of entering, without even thinking about the consequences. Why the hell can’t I just buy an old 4x4? I’ve been vacillating for weeks now. Actually, it’s been months.

A faithful hound, shortly for its last trip out...
A faithful hound, shortly for its last trip out...
The reason for this coming to pass is the death of my lovely old soft-dash Rangie. Purchased as an old knacker in 2009, it was supposed to last that winter and perhaps the following year, but the moment it cost me a thing, I was going to scrap it.

Two things then happened: the car refused to die, and values of old Rangies began to climb. Apart from a new battery and unseizing the odd brake, I didn’t need to spend a thing on my soft-dash until now. The rot has set in and it needs all manner of welding. I’ve decided to start again. Oddly, it’s probably still worth near-enough what I paid for it as a non-runner.

My immediate thought was to simply buy another classic Range Rover. Pre 2009, I suspected I’d enjoy burbling around with my elbow on the door-top, but not to the extent that I actually did. From November to February I used it for almost all short journeys. So I’ve been looking around.

Maybe another soft-dash, but a better one? Prices are strong, but they look set to rise further, so I’m not too worried about having a few quid in one. But I’ve found the tattiness of mine a real bonus – glancing off hedges and throwing wood into the boot just didn’t matter, and a beautiful, clean car wouldn’t be able to do that.

Overfinch tempts ... but at £35K like this one?
Overfinch tempts ... but at £35K like this one?
And what of corrosion and all the other gremlins that lurk in them? I’d want the thing to have a new chassis, be slopped with masses of Waxoyl and I’d quite like it to be faster in the interests of towing. Which had me looking at old Overfinches. The asking prices for those are quite silly, but I would really, really like one.

Thinking rationally, or at least attempting to, I then found myself looking at L322 supercharged RRs with the 4.2 litre motor. If someone wants £25k for an old Overfinch, why not just find a clean 06/07 plate car, clear glass, tow-hook and be done with it. I think the 322 looks very dignified next to the new car, we ran a SC one back in ‘07 and despite using silly amounts of fuel, it was a brilliant thing.

Then I read some forum posts. And I suddenly became a little scared of having a 60K mile version and using it to tow the rally car to several events next year. How cheaply could you have a 5.0 SC car? I must stop this right now.

Which led me, inevitably, to G-Wagens. Or G-Glasses or G-Wagons, or whatever the correct nomenclature is. I’ve been hot for one of these for years, but with the prospect of towing I’ve suddenly lost interest. A decent 420 CDI is the only motor up to the task I think, it would be ideal, but they’re hen’s teeth, LHD only and finding one that hasn’t been pimped appears to be impossible. The new 350 CDI would be nice, but it’s £60k minimum.

The Twitter brain-bank tells me that a Shogun is a top vehicle, but there’s no romance in them for me, and this needs to be an interesting car. Same goes for Cherokees. I like them but have no desire to own one. Which is silly because they’re very cheap and potentially perfect for what I need. Such are the vagaries of searching out old tat to own and abuse: without an emotional attachment I’m just not interested.

Right spec, right price - Harris to Hampshire?
Right spec, right price - Harris to Hampshire?
Which has led me, inevitably, to the Land Cruiser Amazon – probably a 4.2 diesel. These are the trucks-of-all-trucks. Several friends have them and none will ever look at a Land Rover product again. A friend scoffed when I mentioned this whole dilemma. “If you buy something else, you’ll just regret not having a Land Cruiser.”

And he’s right. They’re built to last like nothing else in the category, they tow superbly and an £8K example will probably last another 10 years with some light TLC. To many it’s the most bland 4x4 of all, but I love the awesome reputation they carry with such anonymity. And that’s where I’m currently at. Looking at 4.2 VXs, wondering if an older 80 series version would just be too slow and crude for towing, and deliberately averting my gaze from all those lovely Overfinches.

But still somehow unable to just commit and buy one of the bloody things! If it doesn’t happen by first snowfall, I’m a complete idiot.

Chris

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delays

Original Poster:

792 posts

245 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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Those are some impressive residuals on that Land Cruiser!

Z28DUNC

155 posts

180 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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Does it have to be a RHD? You could get a 5.9 4x4 Ram running on LPG reasonably cheap.

Something like this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1995-DODGE-RAM-1500-4x4-...

Maty

1,234 posts

243 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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8 Grand for a 16 year old 4x4 with 195,000 miles on the clock.

Jesus!


chris182

4,238 posts

183 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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I just sold my old 80 series and can confirm that they are awesome things. The 4.2td engine is magnificent, plenty powerful enough and I got about 30mpg out of mine (the noise was pretty good for a diesel too).

It is due to be replaced tomorrow with a Jeep Commander 5.7 Hemi, which should satisfy the requirements of 4x4 capability, electric heated leather lined luxury and V8 woofle. They are much cheaper than L322 range rovers and much more reliable (and did I mention 5.7 Hemi?).

0llie

3,172 posts

226 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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Depending on the amount of work required on the Range Rover, just have that repaired/overhauled and it should see you right for a little while smile

DKL

4,973 posts

252 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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I feel your pain as I'm in much the same situation. Nothing quite has the presence of a classic range rover but it needs a bit of TLC.
I recon an lpg L322 about 03 plate, 8ok or so for 8k or so wouldn't be too bad.

Luther Blisset

402 posts

162 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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Y60 Nissan Patrol?

V8 FOU

3,023 posts

177 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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P38 R/Rover. Had mine for 5 years and 30,000 miles. LPG'd it. Other expenses have been tyres and brakes. One or two s/hand bits to replace the hvac control and a set of air springs. Still brilliant.

A.J.M

8,390 posts

216 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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Clearly the best option is to fix the current old classic.

Sort out the rust and any other issues, waxoil it and drive around enjoying it again knowing that with prices climbing, it will always be worth something.

loudlashadjuster

6,450 posts

214 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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V8 FOU said:
P38 R/Rover. Had mine for 5 years and 30,000 miles. LPG'd it. Other expenses have been tyres and brakes. One or two s/hand bits to replace the hvac control and a set of air springs. Still brilliant.
Surely you mean it has imploded, taking a few hectares and your nearest and dearest with it?

That's the accepted P38 wisdom, isn't it? wink

HenryRS6

2 posts

177 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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Those 80 series Land Cruisers are brilliant. I've had several and they go on and on, my current one is in Kenya and I go out once a year on holiday and all it ever needs is an oil change and diesel. 195k miles is just running in, I've seen them with 400 000 on the clocks, they're now the overlanding 4x4 of choice hence the prices. The person in the UK to chat to about them is Julian at Overland Cruisers near Leadbury if you want one, and want more power.

Clivey

5,690 posts

234 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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Chris, why are you scared of a 60k+ mile L322?

I totally understand regarding your Rangie…except the emotional attachment would see me spending a disproportionate amount of money restoring the thing, regardless of the current condition. I know; I'm weird like that.

Maty said:
8 Grand for a 16 year old 4x4 with 195,000 miles on the clock.

Jesus!
yes That's because those interested / looking know that mileage doesn't matter; only condition. I know of people who have driven these half a million plus miles, then stripped them down and restored them, regardless of cost, because they don't want anything else. See here.

Edited by Clivey on Thursday 14th November 10:09

skyrover

12,700 posts

234 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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Get your classic overhauled.

Plop it on a new galv chassis and get the body welded up while its off.

Job jobbed

DKL

4,973 posts

252 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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skyrover said:
Get your classic overhauled.

Plop it on a new galv chassis and get the body welded up while its off.

Job jobbed
Thing is you're looking at the thick end of £20k to get it done properly if you pay someone. I've heard of considerably more too.
Prices are rising but will a nice softdash reach £20k+? It might.

GreatPretender

26,140 posts

244 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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Did this one get missed for any particular reason?




GreatPretender

26,140 posts

244 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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olly22n said:
GreatPretender said:
Did this one get missed for any particular reason?

What the fk are you doing on here?
Err, I'd ask you the same question...

GreatPretender

26,140 posts

244 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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bks. Why did I have to click on this topic?

I've now been directed here and...




GreatPretender

26,140 posts

244 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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olly22n said:
Procrastinating.

You?
Hands off punch

gingerkid

19 posts

164 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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I owned a Landcruiser Troopy in Oz. It had 200,000kms on the clock when I bought it, did 30,000 kms in 5 months all the way round. Only thing that went wrong was the pulley wheel on the aircon. Bearings seized and the belt melted. Cut it off and continued smile

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mlbm/sets/72057594077...


Don1

16,830 posts

238 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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Currently at 108,000 miles. Daily driver - love the thing, so does Mrs Don1. Just spent a bit of cash sorting out the tired suspension, should be good for another 100k (fingers crossed).