Defender values post retirement...
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Discovery prices will follow. They're a Defender too after all.
;-)
But seriously folks......
Hard to say. As Camel Landy often points out on here, Defender owners are notorious for over-valuing their trucks come sales time, and assume all the bolt-on stuff will appeal to a prospective buyer. On the other hand, earlier Series wagons are now fetching silly money. Unrestored S1s well north of £5k, with S2s not far behind. There was a mint S1 in the 'bay recently for a whopping £25k.
I expect to see a surge in prices as every indy dealer sees an easy route to greater profit, which will inevitably raise private prices, even for tired old dogs, then after a while things will settle with only good solid trucks holding their value, then way down the line anything pre-2015 will become valuable regardless of condition, bit like VeeDub campers.
;-)
But seriously folks......
Hard to say. As Camel Landy often points out on here, Defender owners are notorious for over-valuing their trucks come sales time, and assume all the bolt-on stuff will appeal to a prospective buyer. On the other hand, earlier Series wagons are now fetching silly money. Unrestored S1s well north of £5k, with S2s not far behind. There was a mint S1 in the 'bay recently for a whopping £25k.
I expect to see a surge in prices as every indy dealer sees an easy route to greater profit, which will inevitably raise private prices, even for tired old dogs, then after a while things will settle with only good solid trucks holding their value, then way down the line anything pre-2015 will become valuable regardless of condition, bit like VeeDub campers.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 14th November 12:00
good point CK. How can we become something we already are 
Crossflow Kid said:
But seriously folks......
Hard to say. As Camel Landy often points out on here, Defender owners are notorious for over-valuing their trucks come sales time, and assume all the bolt-on stuff will appeal to a prospective buyer. On the other hand, earlier Series wagons are now fetching silly money. Unrestored S1s well north of £5k, with S2s not far behind. There was a mint S1 in the 'bay recently for a whopping £25k.
I expect to see a surge in prices as every indy dealer sees an easy route to greater profit, which will inevitably raise private prices, even for tired old dogs, then after a while things will settle with only good solid trucks holding their value, then way down the line anything pre-2015 will become valuable regardless of condition, bit like VeeDub campers.
I'd say you're not far off the mark with that...Hard to say. As Camel Landy often points out on here, Defender owners are notorious for over-valuing their trucks come sales time, and assume all the bolt-on stuff will appeal to a prospective buyer. On the other hand, earlier Series wagons are now fetching silly money. Unrestored S1s well north of £5k, with S2s not far behind. There was a mint S1 in the 'bay recently for a whopping £25k.
I expect to see a surge in prices as every indy dealer sees an easy route to greater profit, which will inevitably raise private prices, even for tired old dogs, then after a while things will settle with only good solid trucks holding their value, then way down the line anything pre-2015 will become valuable regardless of condition, bit like VeeDub campers.
Personally, I think anyone wanting a 'keeper' have missed out already. The 2.4TDCi was the one to go for & the 'Cream' of the crop is the 2.4TDCi 90SW.
M
So would a low mileage 300tdi 90 CSW at £11k be a really silly idea?
I have a Defender-sized itch to scratch but could do without losing too much if I have to sell in 6 months to buy a house...
Would your £11-12k go on a minty 300tdi or an above-average TD5, if "getting your money back" was a key consideration?
I have a Defender-sized itch to scratch but could do without losing too much if I have to sell in 6 months to buy a house...
Would your £11-12k go on a minty 300tdi or an above-average TD5, if "getting your money back" was a key consideration?
camel_landy said:
Personally, I'd be looking at a TD5 for that money.
The 300TDi is a cracking motor but even the youngest examples are over 15yrs old now!!
M
I don't know a huge amount about them, but age doesn't really bother me. The 300TDi is a cracking motor but even the youngest examples are over 15yrs old now!!
M
I'd rather buy a 15 y.o. reliable car than a 10 y.o. less reliable one.
Gruber said:
So would a low mileage 300tdi 90 CSW at £11k be a really silly idea?
I have a Defender-sized itch to scratch but could do without losing too much if I have to sell in 6 months to buy a house...
Would your £11-12k go on a minty 300tdi or an above-average TD5, if "getting your money back" was a key consideration?
An £11k 300Tdi I would say will loose you money. A mate bought a 300Tdi for £2600 18 months ago. It might not have been mint. But over paying for something is hardly the way to ensure you don't lose money.I have a Defender-sized itch to scratch but could do without losing too much if I have to sell in 6 months to buy a house...
Would your £11-12k go on a minty 300tdi or an above-average TD5, if "getting your money back" was a key consideration?
Edited by 300bhp/ton on Friday 15th November 10:33
camel_landy said:
Crossflow Kid said:
But seriously folks......
Hard to say. As Camel Landy often points out on here, Defender owners are notorious for over-valuing their trucks come sales time, and assume all the bolt-on stuff will appeal to a prospective buyer. On the other hand, earlier Series wagons are now fetching silly money. Unrestored S1s well north of £5k, with S2s not far behind. There was a mint S1 in the 'bay recently for a whopping £25k.
I expect to see a surge in prices as every indy dealer sees an easy route to greater profit, which will inevitably raise private prices, even for tired old dogs, then after a while things will settle with only good solid trucks holding their value, then way down the line anything pre-2015 will become valuable regardless of condition, bit like VeeDub campers.
I'd say you're not far off the mark with that...Hard to say. As Camel Landy often points out on here, Defender owners are notorious for over-valuing their trucks come sales time, and assume all the bolt-on stuff will appeal to a prospective buyer. On the other hand, earlier Series wagons are now fetching silly money. Unrestored S1s well north of £5k, with S2s not far behind. There was a mint S1 in the 'bay recently for a whopping £25k.
I expect to see a surge in prices as every indy dealer sees an easy route to greater profit, which will inevitably raise private prices, even for tired old dogs, then after a while things will settle with only good solid trucks holding their value, then way down the line anything pre-2015 will become valuable regardless of condition, bit like VeeDub campers.
Personally, I think anyone wanting a 'keeper' have missed out already. The 2.4TDCi was the one to go for & the 'Cream' of the crop is the 2.4TDCi 90SW.
M
Interesting thoughts, particularly likening it to the Dub scene. Realistically from my perspective I'd need a 110 because I have three kids in boosters (and will do for 5 years at least) and regularly use 6 or more seats. Which is probably for the best because I keep looking at 130 dual cabs as the ultimate camping vehicle
Bill said:
Realistically from my perspective I'd need a 110 because I have three kids in boosters (and will do for 5 years at least) and regularly use 6 or more seats. Which is probably for the best because I keep looking at 130 dual cabs as the ultimate camping vehicle
If you need 6x seats, you're not going to get that in a dual cab!Looking at it from a purely practical point of view, the Disco 3/4 would be a far better car.
M
IroningMan said:
Ask Digga to show you his sums. I'm sure he did some...
I didn't really do any - just some very basic man maths.I did take the view that, post-production-end, the vehicle was unlikely to depreciate any faster and that, given natural wastage and nostalgia, was only likely to firm-up on residuals.
I was also looking at a slightly different angle, in combination with this, which was longevity. I've reached a point in life where - for at least the last five years, if not more and for the foreseeable future - my vehiclular useage and needs are very clear and specific and either a Defender or a 4x4 VW Transporter best met them. Given a fairly low mileage and a desire not to swap cars (thereby incurring depreciation and handing money over to the dealers) any more often than necessary, I figures the Defended was the better bet of the two. It's easier to maintain and, theoretically, adapt to any changing future requirements.
Last of all, I bought the car with my heart. Aside from my TVRs (a very close second was the P38 Vogue 4.6 I had), this Defender is the car I've most looked forward to and enjoyed.
Gruber said:
So would a low mileage 300tdi 90 CSW at £11k be a really silly idea?
Not a really silly idea, but nor is it a great one. It'd have to be a pretty special truck for that money. Never, ever taken off road, waxoyled the moment it came off the transporter, immaculate inside, and no-expense-spared come servicing.
(Edited to add: so, everything mine isn't, basically
)Digga said:
IroningMan said:
Ask Digga to show you his sums. I'm sure he did some...
I didn't really do any - just some very basic man maths.I did take the view that, post-production-end, the vehicle was unlikely to depreciate any faster and that, given natural wastage and nostalgia, was only likely to firm-up on residuals.
I was also looking at a slightly different angle, in combination with this, which was longevity. I've reached a point in life where - for at least the last five years, if not more and for the foreseeable future - my vehiclular useage and needs are very clear and specific and either a Defender or a 4x4 VW Transporter best met them. Given a fairly low mileage and a desire not to swap cars (thereby incurring depreciation and handing money over to the dealers) any more often than necessary, I figures the Defended was the better bet of the two. It's easier to maintain and, theoretically, adapt to any changing future requirements.
Last of all, I bought the car with my heart. Aside from my TVRs (a very close second was the P38 Vogue 4.6 I had), this Defender is the car I've most looked forward to and enjoyed.
I've missed having a Landy around after getting rid of my Series LR a good number of years ago and, for broadly similar reasons to you, have decided to add a new one to the Tunes fleet. Still a bit of a wait as lead times seem to be going out.
If you want some proper man maths justification:
See that (imaginary) brand new Autobiography RR over there -->?
Sure it's a nice place to be, but the amount it'll likely depreciate in 3 or 4 years will pay for a fully spec'd new Defender outright (that will still be worth >£20k). If you can convince yourself that you could have bought the RR, but decided instead to order the Defender, then you have what amounts to a free vehicle!
Crossflow Kid said:
Gruber said:
So would a low mileage 300tdi 90 CSW at £11k be a really silly idea?
Not a really silly idea, but nor is it a great one. It'd have to be a pretty special truck for that money. Never, ever taken off road, waxoyled the moment it came off the transporter, immaculate inside, and no-expense-spared come servicing.
(Edited to add: so, everything mine isn't, basically
)I'm currently yearning for this rather good looking TD5: http://www.surrey4x4.co.uk/used-cars/land-rover-de...
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