MOT failure to scrap of fix?
MOT failure to scrap of fix?
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pimping

Original Poster:

759 posts

204 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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Hello all and sundry. Dropped the car off for an mot and it came back as a failure on the exhaust, wiper blades and most importantly the brakes. It drives like it always has and starts straight away and has no other problems but......the brakes failed the mot and he says he down't know which part is the problem so he will have to keep replacing bits till it is remedied.

My dilemma is do I cast it aside and replace it with something a bit newer which goes against my stance on this a bit of just treating cars like white goods and throwing them in the bin when they get tired. But then is it a big bill now to fix the brakes which feel fine and like they always have to me but he says will ned parts replacing till he finds the fault and the bill will just keep growing.

Also is it going to be a few hundred to fix or more, then next year is it going to keep mounting up where I've invested so much into it I don't want to get rid. MOT tester said it's sound apart from the brakes but I just don't know what to do.

I probably should mention the car it's a Rover 420i 1999. Nothing special by any means but it has been a great little beater for three years and hasn't missed a beat.

PhillipM

6,564 posts

219 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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Parts for the brakes on that are peanuts - what exactly did it fail on?

Alex@POD

6,454 posts

245 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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PhillipM said:
Parts for the brakes on that are peanuts - what exactly did it fail on?
This, what does the fail sheet say about the brakes?

pimping

Original Poster:

759 posts

204 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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Brake efficiency 47%

Service brake 10%

Exhaust leaking gases

bitwrx

1,352 posts

234 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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pimping said:
Brake efficiency 47%

Service brake 10%

Exhaust leaking gases
That doesn't sound very good. Did he have a bit of wood under the brake pedal when he tested it or something? silly

pimping

Original Poster:

759 posts

204 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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Thing is the brakes work like they always have and I have no problem stopping. It must have always been like this but I drive a fair few cars and they seem perfectly ok to me?

Thing is the brake in the last few weeks has developed a slight 'judder' when operating the brakes. No vibration or pulling to either sided the brake pedal itself very gently 'pulsates' a little bit is the best way I can describe it. I've had this before on a pug 405 that only needed a new brake servo.

Thing is when I put the car in I asked about the grace period of how long can I return it for a free retest and they said 10 days. After the MOT was done the guy said it's only a free retest if they do the work to the car.

Getting a bit miffed at the last comment as I've only just signed up to a gym and was told yeah all classes free to be told when I turned up for the lesson 'oh no this isn't included' sorry I might have forgotten to tell you. Is this a new policy in the uk or something to tell people something so they commit then shaft them as soon as they've committed their funds?


Alex@POD

6,454 posts

245 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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Well at least it's not the brake pipes leaking, corroded, etc. Start by getting the pads and discs checked, check the fluid level, tighten the handbrake, and take it from there.

pimping

Original Poster:

759 posts

204 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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I'm a bit skeptical of the 47% as it feels fine and my old man uses it every now and again and when I told him the figure he said no chance as you'd notice it only having half the braking force it should have.

This is it with places you don't know. I knew it was going to fail on the exhaust as it is blowing but I am going to scrap a perfectly usable vehicle because he wants me to book it in with him for a couple of hundred of quids worth of work?

Alex@POD

6,454 posts

245 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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If you're that sceptical, take it to your local council to get tested. They can't do any work on it so shouldn't be biased.

pimping

Original Poster:

759 posts

204 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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I know I did look up the local council testing stations as that is what I would have preferred but it is too far away as I live in the sticks.

Alex@POD

6,454 posts

245 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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Maybe you are used to how it feels and don't realise you press quite a bit harder on the pedal when driving that car?

I'm not exactly sure how the tester decides how hard he needs to brake for the test, how how far the pedal needs to be depressed.

Matt UK

18,084 posts

230 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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pimping said:
I know I did look up the local council testing stations as that what is I would have preferred but it is too far away as I live in the sticks.
But must be cheaper than binning the car / having repairs done which are not required?

leafspring

7,032 posts

167 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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IMO if it costs more to fix it than it'd cost to replace it with a similar car I'd scrap it... but then I've never paid more than £500 for a car.

Get it retested at another garage because @47% you'd definitely notice if the brakes were that knackered.

steveo3002

11,216 posts

204 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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find a better garage sounds like theyre trying to have you over

discs and pads shouldnt cost alot for that

neiljohnson

11,298 posts

237 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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47% isn't half the braking force the car should have its just the way it's measured it only has to be 50% to pass

It's likely an issue with the rears on these as often the rear pads get stuck in the carriers although caliper problems can also happen its unlikely as you haven't has a fail on imbalance

As has already been said find a mechanic that isn't an idiot as any one who isn't could easily check the brakes & identify the fault causing the failure rather than just replacing stuff till it's fixed!!!!

juliethotel

255 posts

179 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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Sounds like the tester is a bit of a wally.

You may get away with just having to top up fluid, adjust handbrake and have a good clean up of the handbrake mechanism's on the discs/drums.

As said previously, find someone with a brain.

What does the failure sheet say about the exhaust?


digger the goat

2,864 posts

175 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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pimping said:
After the MOT was done the guy said it's only a free retest if they do the work to the car.
Tell him he is a chancing and walk away.
Go to ....dare I say it... A rather fast company that put thing on cars.... Or such like !!
Or find a reputable garage !!



pimping

Original Poster:

759 posts

204 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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Yeah I thought that was a bit of a piss take saying 10 days retest then changing it aferwards to 'only if you have the work done here'. I didn't say anything as it's our local garage and a very small community.

VinceFox

20,566 posts

202 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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pimping said:
Yeah I thought that was a bit of a piss take saying 10 days retest then changing it aferwards to 'only if you have the work done here'. I didn't say anything as it's our local garage and a very small community.
That speaks volumes. Take it elsewhere.

pimping

Original Poster:

759 posts

204 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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Great minds of Pistonheads you have spoken and been heard once again!

Well done sirs I shall be visiting a fast place that puts things on with haste. £35 down the spout but that's life, it's just the way it is..........