Crap heaters!
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swansea v6

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1,285 posts

255 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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I have had the water pump and thermostat changed on my 3.0 jaguar x type and ever since my heaters have been crap. Climate works fine on cold but turn the heat up and it barely gets luke warm. I have flushed the coolant and tried to bleed the system but zilch. Any ideas??

orangesrule

1,954 posts

178 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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There probably is an airlock in the system somewhere, either that or duff therostat.

trickywoo

14,230 posts

260 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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Unlikely to be an airlock as modern cooling systems tend to be self bleeding as long as the expansion tank is at max.

Could be a heater valve problem.

swansea v6

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255 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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Have tested the thermostat and it opened as it should have. Anyone know if the x type will self bleed over time?? Temp gauge stays bang on the middle of the gauge.

catman

2,504 posts

205 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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Assuming that the thermostat was the correct one, then I would say that you still have an air-lock in the system.

I don't know about your car, but some are notorious for trapped air. How did you go about bleeding the system?

Tim

swansea v6

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1,285 posts

255 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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Bled the system, heating and fan turned up to max, expansion cap off (no bleed valve fitted) engine run at fast idle, constant filling of tank when the levels moved down. Did this for around 30 mins

Ray Luxury-Yacht

8,918 posts

246 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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Well it's a simple system in essence.

Hot water flows from the car's cooling system via pipes to a 'mini radiator' or heater matrix inside, and then air blows through that to heat the interior.

All that can stop this is:

A blockage in the pipework (unlikely unless your cooling system is horrendously full of rust and crap - probably not as you've just drained and re-filled it with new coolant)

An occluded hose - i.e. somehow one of the hoses leading to or from the matrix has been trapped or kinked, stopping the flow

A stuck air direction flap inside - i.e. one or more of the flaps which move to control the flow of air has got stuck shut, stopping the air flowing through the matrix, or

Most likely, despite your protestations to the contrary - an airlock.



It's well-known that on a lot of vehicles it is a complete sod to get airlocks out of the cooling system and especially the heater plumbing. It even has experienced techs banging their heads against the workshop wall at times.

Some cars require a specific method of bleeding the system or you'll get nowhere. This might even include such things as massaging the pipes by hand whilst the engine is running, or unclipping the uppermost hose clip to let some coolant and hence air out whilst the engine is running.

On my Porsche 911 for example you have to make a metal 'jumper' wire and stuff it into the radiator fan's relay socket to get he fans to come on way before they normally would, to blow air through the rads to create a 'convection' effect to help with the bleeding of air. All very complicated and annoying and time-consuming.


Have you done a Google search for any hints, tips and problems specific to your car for just such a thing?



swansea v6

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255 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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Thank you for the replies, there doesn't seem to be much about bleeding these cars on line so I have just joined a jaguar forum. Seems there is a very specific bleeding system which entails clamping the heater inlet and outlet pipes.......

skyrover

12,700 posts

234 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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you could also try flushing the matrix with a hosepipe

Squishey

576 posts

158 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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Isn't the Jag 3.0 essentially the same lump as the Mondeo ST220? It might be worth looking in to ST220 heater/cooling system problems.

Just a thought...

Krikkit

27,938 posts

211 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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I'd drain the coolant back out and start again. Make sure you park on a completely level surface and get yourself a 2L bottle of pop.

Dispose of the contents, cut off the bottom and drill a 1-2mm hole in the cap. Insert cap end into the top of the expansion tank, put a litre of water into the bottle and let it slowly fill the system. Repeat until you've put in the approximate right amount of coolant. IME these things need a very slow fill procedure to work properly.

Ray Luxury-Yacht

8,918 posts

246 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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swansea v6 said:
Seems there is a very specific bleeding system which entails clamping the heater inlet and outlet pipes.......
There you are, thought as much.

What does it entail out of interest?


Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

197 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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Is there and isolation tap on the block that stops coolant going to the heater matrix? If there is, there might have turned it off to stop loosing so much coolant and forgot to turn it back on again.

I had the coolant drained to fix a leak on my company vehicle. It was refilled but had an air lock. The heater was blowing stone cold but the engine was over heating just idling in the yard.

swansea v6

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Thursday 14th November 2013
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Ray Luxury-Yacht said:
There you are, thought as much.

What does it entail out of interest?
Get engine up to temperature, leave expansion cap on, clamp the knelt pipe and outlet pipe and run car for 2 mins at 2000rpm, remove clamps and turn engine off, refill expansion tank.
Will try this tomorrow if I get time, plus filling really slowly.

Ray Luxury-Yacht

8,918 posts

246 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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swansea v6 said:
Ray Luxury-Yacht said:
There you are, thought as much.

What does it entail out of interest?
Get engine up to temperature, leave expansion cap on, clamp the knelt pipe and outlet pipe and run car for 2 mins at 2000rpm, remove clamps and turn engine off, refill expansion tank.
Will try this tomorrow if I get time, plus filling really slowly.
So not TOO onerous then. I guess you can use locking mole grips to clamp the pipes off?

Anyway glad you've found out why and a solution - that's half the battle!

Let us know how you get on thumbupdriving

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