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Alexc1984

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86 posts

180 months

Saturday 16th November 2013
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Whilst replacing the rocker cover gasket one of the metal washers built into it fell out and I can't find it. It either fell down the hole or went into the hole on the inlet manifold. I fear the first option is what happened. Tried a vacuum cleane with a pipe on the end and a magnet. How far could it have fallen and what will I have to do to get it out?

TJC46

2,199 posts

236 months

Saturday 16th November 2013
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Depends on which hole you think it fell down.
Would be wise to drain the oil and with a bit of luck it will be stuck on the magnet on the sump plug.

swallet

453 posts

173 months

Saturday 16th November 2013
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I am paranoid about this and always gaffer tape up any port holes.

Liklehood is that it has gone somewhere else in the engine bay/garage but if it's gone down the inlet manifold it could well end up in a combustion chamber.

If it fell onto the rocker it's unlikely to have gone down an oil channel but can't guarantee it.

As said -drain the oil and hope it's there or even better on the floor of the garage somewhere unexpected.


Taking the inlet manifold off isn't that hard but you will have to unplug the coolant and fuel line and renew the valley gasket..
sod's law you won't find it in there.



Alexc1984

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86 posts

180 months

Saturday 16th November 2013
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Thanks, good idea. Im pretty sure it must have gone down where the push rod comes from. Can't see it down there but haven't got a great view. Is there a big enough hole down there for it to end up in the oil sump? So annoying! ! Might have to remove the rocker arms to get a better view.

zed4

7,248 posts

252 months

Saturday 16th November 2013
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Take the inlet manifold off then. Be a good chance to change the valley gasket and end seals anyway, mine was pretty manky!

Alexc1984

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86 posts

180 months

Saturday 16th November 2013
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I was considering changing the valley gasket anyway so this has persuaded me.
What's the flow path from the lifters under the rocker covers? Would it get to the oil sump or am i going to have to take it to pieces and look around the cam?

swallet

453 posts

173 months

Saturday 16th November 2013
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Can't help you on that one

BUT - if you do decide to change the valley gasket put loads of plus gas on the two bolts which hold the gasket retaining clamps to the engine block. I sheared the rear one flush with the block when I changed mine.

Took two weeks of concentrated nitric acid to melt it out!

swallet

453 posts

173 months

Saturday 16th November 2013
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Can't help you on that one

BUT - if you do decide to change the valley gasket put loads of plus gas on the two bolts which hold the gasket retaining clamps to the engine block. I sheared the rear one flush with the block when I changed mine.

Took two weeks of concentrated nitric acid to melt it out!

cinquecento

558 posts

255 months

Saturday 16th November 2013
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Speaking from experience here.. I used a magnet at the end of a telescopic arm..and luckily picked it up. I think it was resting down where the lifters sit.

Alexc1984

Original Poster:

86 posts

180 months

Saturday 16th November 2013
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I probably need to invest in one of those magnet thingies. Is there a big enough hole down by the lifters for it to fall deeper?

NZ fan

312 posts

164 months

Saturday 16th November 2013
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There is a big gap down the middle but chances are it will just be sitting on the ledge that the lifters are in.

Chuffmeister

3,597 posts

167 months

Sunday 17th November 2013
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Alexc1984 said:
I probably need to invest in one of those magnet thingies. Is there a big enough hole down by the lifters for it to fall deeper?
Yes, it may fall past the cam, which one would hope would eventually drop through and land into the sump…


zed4

7,248 posts

252 months

Sunday 17th November 2013
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The pics in my thread might help give you an idea

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

PS. My end seal bolts came undone ok, but I guess I was lucky! Also, my inlet manifold bolts were loose!!

Alexc1984

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86 posts

180 months

Sunday 17th November 2013
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Cheers that will help. Tried to magnet fishing with no luck.

Alexc1984

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86 posts

180 months

Wednesday 15th January 2014
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After many hours magnet fishing, I got myself an inspection camera and I can see the cam but no sign of the washer. I've drained all the oil and magnet fished the sump with no luck. Any idea where it could be if it slipped past the cam? Could flushing it with oil get it to the sump or might this make it worse? I'm trying not to think about it too much as im currently replacing wishbones and shocks so its not currently keeping me off the road, but I've a feeling I'll never find it :,-(

phazed

22,504 posts

234 months

Wednesday 15th January 2014
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Probably on the garaged floor.

If the valley gasket and sump are removed and it isn't there then that's where it is .

Chuffmeister

3,597 posts

167 months

Wednesday 15th January 2014
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Take the plenum and intake manifold off. The only way to be sure. Whilst you're at it, you may as well replace the valley gasket. Otherwise, it's heads off time I guess. On the plus side, there's a load of preventative things that can be done whilst the engine is stripped down like this. Before you do this, you could try removing the relevant spark plug and popping in a endoscope to see if it it there?