RE: Corvette C7 Stingray: Driven
RE: Corvette C7 Stingray: Driven
Thursday 21st November 2013

Corvette C7 Stingray: Driven

Harris bags an early go with a US-spec Stingray - does it live up to the hype?



Tread very carefully when, as an Englishman, you attempt to convey your thoughts on the Chevrolet Corvette. I once tried to do so on the last generation C6 Z06, not all of them were positive, and the resulting YouTube comments drew an interesting conclusion between my ethnicity, my perceived inability to change gear in the Corvette and my lack of appreciation of transverse leaf springs. "That camel jockey can't shift stick fer nothin'. He can go **** hisself."

Euro cars will get track friendly Z51 pack standard
Euro cars will get track friendly Z51 pack standard
Then the abuse ramped up a notch and I became a little scared. So scared that I gave up reviewing Corvettes. I still haven't driven a C6 ZR1. I'm told it's very amusing.

The Corvette is all about context - always has been. It is one of the worst automotive tourists in that it travels about as well as cheap Provencale wine. In the US, on smooth sunshine state roads, with cheap gasoline and a bargain sticker price, it's sometimes hard to imagine what more Chevrolet could offer for the money. On a wet, bumpy UK B-road, with a price adjusted for import, the 'vette has always been the preserve of the committed few. Or the few that need committing, depending on your viewpoint.

So I took the precaution of driving the new C7 Corvette in California. I made sure the weather was sunny. I suppressed any preconceived notions of inferiority I may have held about leaf springs and plastic panels and left my mind open to new possibilities. 

You won't be surprised to see it like this
You won't be surprised to see it like this
And then GM delivered one with an automatic transmission. Way to poop the party, Mr General. Or maybe they just heard I couldn't, how do you say it, shift stick? 

This did at least give me the chance to confirm that you should only order an automatic Corvette if you cannot operate a clutch pedal. 

What a fascinating amalgam of technology and antiquarianism this car is. On the one hand the new 6.2-litre V8 boasts direct injection and cylinder shut-down for a frugal cruise. On the other it still uses pushrods to keep the motor lower for that sexy bonnet line. 

The shell is now aluminium - stronger, stiffer and 45kg lighter than before although overall weight is pretty similar to before at 1,495kg. The bodywork is composite and the suspension still has those transverse leaf springs at the rear, but I'm told that the damper rates have been softened.

Test car not exactly the spec you'd want for this
Test car not exactly the spec you'd want for this
And you can tell as much the moment you bumble out of town. The ride isn't in any way plush, but it jiggles no more than a 991 Carrera and there's an integrity to the shell and the way suspension is attached to it that I've not felt in a Corvette before. 

The steering is light-ish and quite fast, you sit low and feel very special, and the motor dominates. I think we've become accustomed to the smooth, revvy V8s of Affalterbach and Ingolstadt, because this lump is so much more rowdy and bustling. Throttle response isn't quite as good and it won't rev out like the best Europeans, but it counters by rumbling like a proper muscle car and with the exhaust set to noisy it sounds quite silly when you push it. Anyone else thing the four-in-a-row exhaust bundle looks a bit ridiculous?

And this is base Corvette, a car with 455hp and 460lb ft in standard US spec. Even with the silly slushbox, it's very, very fast on the road. The brakes are a touch over-sensitive and perfectly good for road use, but as we'll discuss in a minute, they weren't so good on track.

Is there enough rubber left for another lap?
Is there enough rubber left for another lap?
Context has always been the key to appreciating the Corvette - pricing made it possible to excuse some of its failings. Well, for the $51,995 asked in the US for this non-Z51 spec car, I drove around wondering what more you could want. The cabin is leagues better than the C6, the driving position is just about there, the new seats actually support you, the clock faces and central electronic rev-counter are spot-on and the touchscreen nav/entertainment looks good - and works well. It's not as plush as a Carrera, but it's 90 per cent as good for half the money. Make that less than half the money. And it can be loaded with toys if you so wish. 

There's quite a bit of road and suspension noise, but again, this is a 'vette, right? It's so much better than the last C6 version I drove you can't really compare them.

On the track this base version with its blipping auto 'box didn't show quite as well. The brakes couldn't handle much sustained lapping, and whereas I'd been happy with the electronic dampers set to Touring on the road, the Track setting was too stiff even for the flat turns of Chuckwalla circuit. In Sport matters were better.

Interior a vast improvement over the C6
Interior a vast improvement over the C6
You have to be patient with the C7. Get greedy with entry speed and it will either plough forward or want to rotate quite alarmingly when you back-off the throttle. When you find the sweet spot - and it's quite narrow- the 'vette is fast and rewarding. It'll oversteer on demand, but it can be hard to bring the car back into a straight line smoothly. Traction is okay, nothing more. And whereas the rear axle feels much more sophisticated on the road, this base version with a normal locking diff (the Z51 pack standard in Europe has an active locking unit) can feel a little loose at the rear when you push hard. Like the bushings are all a bit too compliant. I suppose it is a road car.

GM will soon sell you a 'vette with all the fancy chassis extras, the Z51 pack, bigger wheels and stick in the UK. The problem is, it'll be £61,495. That's still a whole lot of performance for the money, the looks are really growing on me, and a 991 to similar spec would be nearly £100K. 

Base car's ability bodes well for Z06 and ZR1
Base car's ability bodes well for Z06 and ZR1
So what we really need is to test the 'vette and the 991 together, shoot a video and see just how close the C7 comes given the huge disparity in price. As you can see from some of the snaps, that'll be coming soon

For now, the C7 is such good value in the US, it kind of has no competition. For the money, sports car buyers have never had it so good. I'd want to try one on a troublesome English B-road before writing a cheque, but the extra chassis sophistication should make an even bigger difference over here. As ever, it's just a very likeable car. 

And just as well too. Moving forward, I implore the Chevy engineers to do a similarly good job on the Z06 and ZR1 versions. Means I can say nice things and thereby avoid any more death threats.


CORVETTE STINGRAY (C7)
Engine:
6,162cc V8
Transmission: 7-speed manual/6-speed auto, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 455@6,000rpm*
Torque (lb ft): 460@4,600rpm*
0-60mph: 3.9sec (manual coupe w/Z51 pack)*
Top speed: Not disclosed
Weight: 1,499kg*
MPG: 29 (US Highway)
CO2: N/A
Price: from $51,995 (US market, basic), £61,495 (UK, including Z51 pack as standard)

*Figures for US market cars; quoted power figures for European cars with Z51 pack 460hp/465lb ft

   






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possibletowel

Original Poster:

65 posts

177 months

Tuesday 19th November 2013
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quad pipes are shocking! how it was approved is nuts!

dukebox9reg

1,721 posts

178 months

Tuesday 19th November 2013
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Is it finally RHD for the UK? If so I reckon you'll see more of these kicking about.

Hellbound

2,515 posts

206 months

Tuesday 19th November 2013
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I sense you held back a little under the guise of 'context', and I agree with you; It makes great sense in the US.

If you could pick one of these up for less than £35k new here in the UK, I'd have one in a flash, and in an obnoxious colour for added effect. It would have to come with one of those factory LPG systems Holden do in Australia though!

Hellbound

2,515 posts

206 months

Tuesday 19th November 2013
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dukebox9reg said:
Is it finally RHD for the UK? If so I reckon you'll see more of these kicking about.
Unfortunately no it's not. Our saving grace will be the 2015 Mustang 'world car', which I hope isn't a watered down version of its former self.

possibletowel

Original Poster:

65 posts

177 months

Tuesday 19th November 2013
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dukebox9reg said:
Is it finally RHD for the UK? If so I reckon you'll see more of these kicking about.
think its just LHD. new mustang will be RHD though so there should be a good amount of them around when it comes out!

B10

1,378 posts

297 months

Tuesday 19th November 2013
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Looks like a nicely engineered bit of kit that is affordable.

ecs0set

2,525 posts

314 months

Tuesday 19th November 2013
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Why does the dash photo show the redline at 4500rpm, even though coolant and oil temp are mid-range? Is this the new diesel 'Vette that no-one has been asking for?

Or have they returned to C4 spec engines where all the power is consumed in the first 3000rpm?

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

220 months

Tuesday 19th November 2013
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Chris, I wonder if the "track" suspension setting is for the drag strip rather than circuit?? Just a thought as I know most US guys don't call race tracks "tracks" as a rule.


Oh and this:

Chris Harris said:
So what we really need is to test the 'vette and the 991 together, shoot a video and see just how close the C7 comes given the huge disparity in price. As you can see from some of the snaps, that'll be coming soon
While I'm sure this would be interesting, would it not actually be more relevant to compare to the C7 to something that is a similar price?

Lets face it, not only is a 991 not a competitor on price, it also has a different number of seats. A bit like directly comparing an MX-5 with an Evora... not really much point.


A Cayman S or BMW Z4 sDrive35iS are far closer matches on price.

Hellbound

2,515 posts

206 months

Tuesday 19th November 2013
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ecs0set said:
Why does the dash photo show the redline at 4500rpm, even though coolant and oil temp are mid-range? Is this the new diesel 'Vette that no-one has been asking for?

Or have they returned to C4 spec engines where all the power is consumed in the first 3000rpm?
Revs to 6500rpm. I suspect the engine is cold and needs warming up or it's in some sort of eco mode.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEHLUyVKMzo

J4CKO

46,889 posts

230 months

Tuesday 19th November 2013
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Love the fact the cooking model has 455 bhp and only weighs 1495 kilos.

I know what you mean about context, it is like how a Lion looks magnificent during a Serengeti sunset but looks a bit flea bitten and bored when its lolling around on a wet Tuesday in a field near Liverpool.

Its kind of like the American thing is diluted there, it fits in, over here you notice the square number plates that look a bit wrong with a UK font and usually "Bauer Millet" stickers all over the shop. that said, of American cars it is the one that fits in the best, pickup trucks, saloons, Cadillacs, Vipers and stuff tend to blend in even less, I like them but they are a bit conspicuous.

Will be interesting to see, when we get housetrained versions of this and the Mustang how they fit in, will they be the preserve of blokes from the north who wear Stetsons and Cowboy boots only ?

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

220 months

Tuesday 19th November 2013
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dukebox9reg said:
Is it finally RHD for the UK? If so I reckon you'll see more of these kicking about.
Thankfully not. Although I'm not sure you would. I think £61k is just the wrong sort of price for the UK market. As it's over priced vs cheaper performance 2 seater cars, and if you get to the point where you'd consider a £60k new toy, then you can probably look at new 911's and the like costing a fair chunk more.


Also if this costs $52k in the US (£35k), then GM are plainly ripping off UK customers if they are really trying to claim that making it EU type approved and shipping really totals £27,000.

Even if I could afford one, I wouldn't buy a UK one on principle.

lewisf182

2,242 posts

218 months

Tuesday 19th November 2013
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The car itself looks brilliant but those quad pipes just do not suite it at all! I imagine that many owners will change this straight away, especially in the 2nd hand market after warranties have run out.

struttob

345 posts

179 months

Tuesday 19th November 2013
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For $52000 (£32,5000) that has to be a bargain right, even in the spec as driven by Mr Harris.

So why do they seem to think that £60,000+ is OK for UK spec ?? Rip and Off are two words that go well together to describe that pricing model.

Bob

Adenauer

18,982 posts

266 months

Tuesday 19th November 2013
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In the looks department, I'd give it 1.

DaveR

1,209 posts

314 months

Tuesday 19th November 2013
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Chevrolet said:
...it uses pushrods to keep the motor lower for that sexy bonnet line.
Is that for real?! Not that quad-cam is at all more difficult or anything? Still, at least that will explain why its front end looks so good compared to the F-Type then. Oh. Wait a minute...

Captain Cadillac

2,974 posts

217 months

Tuesday 19th November 2013
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LHD Only.

I've driven a Z51 with the magnetic ride suspension (I have one on order... Should have had the damn thing already but oh well).

Buying a Corvette without the Z51 and Magnetic ride is absolutely pointless. The suspension is flat out incredible, night and day difference. I suppose people buying the base car with an automatic will be the daily driver types.

ViperDave

5,775 posts

283 months

Tuesday 19th November 2013
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300bhp/ton said:
Thankfully not. Although I'm not sure you would. I think £61k is just the wrong sort of price for the UK market. As it's over priced vs cheaper performance 2 seater cars, and if you get to the point where you'd consider a £60k new toy, then you can probably look at new 911's and the like costing a fair chunk more.


Also if this costs $52k in the US (£35k), then GM are plainly ripping off UK customers if they are really trying to claim that making it EU type approved and shipping really totals £27,000.

Even if I could afford one, I wouldn't buy a UK one on principle.
add in the options of the uk spec, then hmrc will add on 10% duty and then 20% VAT followed no doubt by some huge first year RFL, your not far off the uk price, so don't blame GM blame HMRC

QuattroDave

1,817 posts

158 months

Tuesday 19th November 2013
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300bhp/ton said:
Thankfully not. Although I'm not sure you would. I think £61k is just the wrong sort of price for the UK market. As it's over priced vs cheaper performance 2 seater cars, and if you get to the point where you'd consider a £60k new toy, then you can probably look at new 911's and the like costing a fair chunk more.


Also if this costs $52k in the US (£35k), then GM are plainly ripping off UK customers if they are really trying to claim that making it EU type approved and shipping really totals £27,000.

Even if I could afford one, I wouldn't buy a UK one on principle.
Dont forget taxes. The US price (I think) will be exclusive of local taxes whilst the UK price should be VAT included.

I do still agree with you that it's a rip off the extra they charge for shipping, type approval and tax, though I'm not sure if it's alL GM taking the extra dosh to everyone that goes near the car on the journey across the pond.
£10k or thereabouts will go straight onto VAT
£4k on shipping MAX on the basis of shipping one unit over at a time. in reality if they send a bulk load over for Europe that unit cost would plummet.
£xxk/unit for type approval
Still leaves many pennies to go to the middlemen - importers predominantly.

Cheaper to have a long holiday in the US, buy one out there, ship it back and sail with the car!

Andy665

4,172 posts

258 months

Tuesday 19th November 2013
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Had a good look at the one on show at the NEC Classic Car Show at the weekend and have to admits its a damn good looking car, far prettier in the metal (plastic) than in any of the photographs

Captain Cadillac

2,974 posts

217 months

Tuesday 19th November 2013
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I'd ask Mitch over in the Vette section... But...

The one you want is what I've ordered, an LT2 (leather, nav, butt warmers, etc) Z51 with mag shocks.

$62k.

62k
$3k freight
$3,000 amortized costs for UK specific lighting, rear fog light, etc.
$6800 duty
$15,000 VAT

That's $90k right there...... That's £56k or so, throw in road tax, inland freight, etc etc... And I'm sure I'm missing something, its not horrible.

From what I heard the UK cars will have the better suspension.