Peugeot 205 GTI
Discussion
Hello All,
I have a Peugeot 205 1.9 GTI which I have decided I am going to restore for road use. My quest for originality has become so obsessive that I am scanning eBay for the exact original stereo fitted in 1989 (its a Philips 752 :-) and have paid £90 for an original GTI gearknob (thats what they go for!) and am trying to preserve as many things as possible...
Anyway - I know some think the 205 GTI is a rattly, flimsy french piece of p**s, however, I know lots still love the car - me included. Thing is, at what point will they (if ever) become a real classic? When I had my first 205GTI in 2004 there there around 40-45 cars on eBay, now there are around 25...so that this rate... :-)
The way I see it, there will be fewer and fewer £700 old nails out there for sale, which will eventually get scrapped, leaving only a few around, most of which will be cared for cars which very few sell. At this point I believe the prices will rise. No idea to what extent. For what it's worth, a £3,000 car now I estimate in 10 years may be worth around £8,000 at a push?
I guess my real interest in prices rising is more the satisfaction owning something that is desirable much more than the actual value...
I have a Peugeot 205 1.9 GTI which I have decided I am going to restore for road use. My quest for originality has become so obsessive that I am scanning eBay for the exact original stereo fitted in 1989 (its a Philips 752 :-) and have paid £90 for an original GTI gearknob (thats what they go for!) and am trying to preserve as many things as possible...
Anyway - I know some think the 205 GTI is a rattly, flimsy french piece of p**s, however, I know lots still love the car - me included. Thing is, at what point will they (if ever) become a real classic? When I had my first 205GTI in 2004 there there around 40-45 cars on eBay, now there are around 25...so that this rate... :-)
The way I see it, there will be fewer and fewer £700 old nails out there for sale, which will eventually get scrapped, leaving only a few around, most of which will be cared for cars which very few sell. At this point I believe the prices will rise. No idea to what extent. For what it's worth, a £3,000 car now I estimate in 10 years may be worth around £8,000 at a push?
I guess my real interest in prices rising is more the satisfaction owning something that is desirable much more than the actual value...
I have one too. Prices for cars are all over the place (asking prices anyway), and there are a few people on eBay paying silly prices for things like mudflaps and gearknobs. I think the 205 will creep up in value, but not many likely to be scrapped from here on unless a real mess, and no point buying one hoping to make a profit - any increase will take a while and be offset by running costs. Still, no depreciation and a fun little car!
Good unmolested cars are hard to find and will always command strong money. The question of value is all relative. Mine is a low miles one owner car and in brilliant condition. I paid a lot for it and I don't care what it is worth as I will never sell it. Looking at other similar vehicles from that period I don't think 5 figure prices are out of the question.
I don't mind paying for running costs - as restoring cars is a hobby of mine...So I just see it as my golf club membership, or season ticket, in the form of oily car parts:-)
One thing I find amazing - teenagers and young drivers still give the car 'that look of approval' which I find amazing as they would at best, been small children when the 205 was getting old...must be something we have passed down the line?
One thing I find amazing - teenagers and young drivers still give the car 'that look of approval' which I find amazing as they would at best, been small children when the 205 was getting old...must be something we have passed down the line?
robert78 said:
I don't mind paying for running costs - as restoring cars is a hobby of mine...So I just see it as my golf club membership, or season ticket, in the form of oily car parts:-)
One thing I find amazing - teenagers and young drivers still give the car 'that look of approval' which I find amazing as they would at best, been small children when the 205 was getting old...must be something we have passed down the line?
I always assume that 99% people think I'm just driving round in a crappy old car!One thing I find amazing - teenagers and young drivers still give the car 'that look of approval' which I find amazing as they would at best, been small children when the 205 was getting old...must be something we have passed down the line?
The only way a VAG TDI would "blow you away" would be above a certain speed/gear - thats the great thing about TDI's - anyway thats besides the point, where it counts is on the twisty B roads, in which case the tables would turn somewhat.
Not that I would ever entertain such an idea..
I have competed in a 205GTI for 7 years at speed events and hill climbs, albeit a highly modified car, it was still road going and would be quicker than all other road going cars except for Subarus, EVOs, Ferraris etc...A VW Diesel would not be anywhere near..which is testament to the superb handling skills of this little car..
I think it all depends on your definition of a classic.
See for me, a 205gti was never a dream car & when I was young I preferred fast fords anyway-I test drove a couple but always ended up buying a ford rs of some kind. I just can't see that there are that many people out there that have the view that a 205gti is the pinnacle of motoring, same with the old fords as well.
More of an interesting old car than a classic for me.
Bmw e30 m3 - classic
Bmw e30 318is - interesting old car
Ford rs cosworth - classic
Ford fiesta rs turbo - interesting old car
Still, it's great there are people out there taking care of them, I could quite easily lose a day at a car show wandering round a field of polished old 205gtis, Renault 5 turbos, escort rs turbos & other 80's throwbacks-there can't be that many left as standard & in good nick these days
See for me, a 205gti was never a dream car & when I was young I preferred fast fords anyway-I test drove a couple but always ended up buying a ford rs of some kind. I just can't see that there are that many people out there that have the view that a 205gti is the pinnacle of motoring, same with the old fords as well.
More of an interesting old car than a classic for me.
Bmw e30 m3 - classic
Bmw e30 318is - interesting old car
Ford rs cosworth - classic
Ford fiesta rs turbo - interesting old car
Still, it's great there are people out there taking care of them, I could quite easily lose a day at a car show wandering round a field of polished old 205gtis, Renault 5 turbos, escort rs turbos & other 80's throwbacks-there can't be that many left as standard & in good nick these days
I think the 205 1.9 GTI was an iconic hot hatch.
I mean, what else had the performance, reliablility and handling? Yes you had the Ford Fiesta RS and R5GTT but they weren't the best reliability wise.
I always wanted one in the mid 90's but being a new driver, insurance on one was too dear.
I mean, what else had the performance, reliablility and handling? Yes you had the Ford Fiesta RS and R5GTT but they weren't the best reliability wise.
I always wanted one in the mid 90's but being a new driver, insurance on one was too dear.
Lawbags said:
I think the 205 1.9 GTI was an iconic hot hatch.
I mean, what else had the performance, reliablility and handling? Yes you had the Ford Fiesta RS and R5GTT but they weren't the best reliability wise.
I always wanted one in the mid 90's but being a new driver, insurance on one was too dear.
I had a 1.9 and it was a brilliant car. Comical in the wet and snow though, they don't weigh anything when compared to modern stuff.I mean, what else had the performance, reliablility and handling? Yes you had the Ford Fiesta RS and R5GTT but they weren't the best reliability wise.
I always wanted one in the mid 90's but being a new driver, insurance on one was too dear.
I went through a phase of loving German cars. But I have also loved anything Italian (mainly Alfa) and do respect the early French efforts. They sadly now produce dull jelly mould vans. But the early Peugeots such as the 205, 309, 106 GTI were really great.
The silhouette of the 205 is already a classic icon. The wheels alone are stunning. Not sure they will ever be really expensive as they made millions. Stupidly low milage examples will always go for daft money. But restored normal milage cars will not reach mega money imo.
I also fancy an R5 GT!
The silhouette of the 205 is already a classic icon. The wheels alone are stunning. Not sure they will ever be really expensive as they made millions. Stupidly low milage examples will always go for daft money. But restored normal milage cars will not reach mega money imo.
I also fancy an R5 GT!
Edited by k-ink on Wednesday 20th November 10:09
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