Making spark plugs easier to remove
Making spark plugs easier to remove
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eltax91

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10,769 posts

236 months

Saturday 23rd November 2013
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Hi all

The MiL is heading over late morning in her ten year old almera that's suffering from a random misfire. I fear it may be a coil but endeavoured to do the plugs first

So, given in pretty sure they have been in the car ten years, any tips of maximising my chances of getting them out and not snapping them?

I've some plus has to squirt down the thread if I can which I plan to leave for a while to soak in. Copper slip on the new ones (I know that'll cause a riot but it's happening)

For some reason I'm just completely fearing major problems. I have a feeling I'm due a nightmare job soon. hehe

Just how much force can I apply before I stop and pack her off to the local indie??

cirian75

5,760 posts

263 months

Saturday 23rd November 2013
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all you can do is pre soak with penetrating oil and let it soak, It took me an afternoon and loads of penetrating oil to free up a brake bias controller on my old pug 306, don't force them, or you'll snap it and then you will be in a world of hurt.

Pete Eroleum

278 posts

217 months

Saturday 23rd November 2013
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Soak them by all means, but don't use anything bigger than a standard-size 3/8 ratchet and be careful
to keep the extension completely vertical when turning. If more force is required, then probably best
to get a garage to do it just in case.

Nothing wrong with a little copperslip on the new thread but don't overdo it.

Leptons

5,493 posts

206 months

Saturday 23rd November 2013
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I've never had a spark plug snap on removal. Probably because they have never had copper slip applied by a previous owner which would cause them to be over-tight in the first place.

Soak them in plus gas or similar first and the chances are you'll be fine!

natureboy8891

137 posts

201 months

Saturday 23rd November 2013
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As well as a good soak run the engine up to temperature before trying.

eltax91

Original Poster:

10,769 posts

236 months

Saturday 23rd November 2013
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natureboy8891 said:
As well as a good soak run the engine up to temperature before trying.
This is the main reason I've insisted she drives over here first, engine will have had 15 mins to get warm.

Ok to soak them in gas when the engine is hot?

steveo3002

11,215 posts

204 months

Saturday 23rd November 2013
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if they start to move but feel tight , move them a bit and re oil , then wind in /out a bit to try and get the oil in the treads

Pistom

6,422 posts

189 months

Saturday 23rd November 2013
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If all else fails a hammer and chisel is good for getting snapped plugs out.

Spin the engine over with the plugs out to get rid of the crap.

eltax91

Original Poster:

10,769 posts

236 months

Saturday 23rd November 2013
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Pistom said:
If all else fails a hammer and chisel is good for getting snapped plugs out.

Spin the engine over with the plugs out to get rid of the crap.
NOT happening! If they feel tight they are staying put, simple!!

skyrover

12,700 posts

234 months

Saturday 23rd November 2013
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changed plugs on dozens of cars... never had a problem.... just keep ratchet and extension straight and apply even pressure

996TT02

3,342 posts

170 months

Saturday 23rd November 2013
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There's something said about crossing the bridge once you get to it...

99.9999% you will not have any problems removing any sparking plugs. Without any pre-preps, which I don't believe in anyway.

Sure they may be tight, which is why you need a socket set and generally not the "toolkit" type tool, though that works in most cases with some added leverage.

Just yank on the lever in the right direction, the only thing that does sometimes snap is the insulator if the socket is not properly seated on the plug, but this is no big deal if you are replacing the plug/s.

The main problems with spark plugs all have to do with REFITTING them, when several numpties cross thread them, meaning that if gone unnoticed can possibly result in a plug taking unexpected leave of the cylinder head, which latter will inevitably require not too inexpensive remedial work to reinstate the threads.

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

285 months

Saturday 23rd November 2013
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Leptons said:
I've never had a spark plug snap on removal. Probably because they have never had copper slip applied by a previous owner which would cause them to be over-tight in the first place.
Have you ever owned a Fiesta or Ka with the old 1.3 Endura? If you don't use copper slip on the threads you are heading for a world of pain down the line. Only the very worst kind of cack handed baboon would over tighten the plugs, copper slip or not. You don't even need a torque wrench if the spark plugs have sealing washers as it's so incredibly easy to feel when the washer has been crushed.

I also have never managed to snap a plug or damage the threads and I always apply a smear of copper grease to the threads.

skyrover

12,700 posts

234 months

Saturday 23rd November 2013
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Mr2Mike said:
Have you ever owned a Fiesta or Ka with the old 1.3 Endura? If you don't use copper slip on the threads you are heading for a world of pain down the line. Only the very worst kind of cack handed baboon would over tighten the plugs, copper slip or not. You don't even need a torque wrench if the spark plugs have sealing washers as it's so incredibly easy to feel when the washer has been crushed.

I also have never managed to snap a plug or damage the threads and I always apply a smear of copper grease to the threads.
Fords seem to have problems across a range of products when it comes to spark plugs...

F150's and mustang's were well known for shooting spark plugs out of the heads

http://www.stangnet.com/mustang-forums/threads/spa...

B'stard Child

31,136 posts

276 months

Saturday 23rd November 2013
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Leptons said:
I've never had a spark plug snap on removal. Probably because they have never had copper slip applied by a previous owner which would cause them to be over-tight in the first place.
I've had one snap that had been put in less than 4000 miles previous with copperslip thread lubricant and torqued to the manufactures settings

Leptons said:
Soak them in plus gas or similar first and the chances are you'll be fine!
Getting the engine hot before removal would be more effective IMHO - plugs are designed to hold combustion pressure in

MajorProblem

4,700 posts

194 months

Saturday 23rd November 2013
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Do people understand torque settings are for dry threads? Adding lubricant can fudge the torque by up to 50%.

B'stard Child

31,136 posts

276 months

Saturday 23rd November 2013
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MajorProblem said:
Do people understand torque settings are for dry threads? Adding lubricant can fudge the torque by up to 50%.
Depends on what the manufacturer recomends - the torque settings for a head bolt for instance can include lubrication.

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

276 months

Saturday 23rd November 2013
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^^^^^ Why people fail to understand that lubricating a thread will usually lead to over-torqueing is astounding. Don't do it - unless the manufacturer's instructions tell you to!

Also, wear heavy gloves when removing tricky plugs or you WILL skin your knuckles!!

MajorProblem

4,700 posts

194 months

RWD cossie wil

4,382 posts

203 months

Saturday 23rd November 2013
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If you are worried about the new plugs seizing, use Neverseize, it's Nickel based rather than copper & suitable for high temperatures, it's used on aircraft jet engines so is good stuff. Just use a very light smear, and only tighten the plugs up to a nip, no need to go mad with them. However I'd only use the anti seize on older stuff that's known to be problematic.

When you refit them, put the plug into the hole, and turn it anticlockwise until you feel a slight "clunk", then tighten as normal. Turning it backwards allows the lead of the plug thread to drop into the lead of head thread, so prevents cross threading.

Good luck, we are all counting on you!

Edited by RWD cossie wil on Saturday 23 November 11:46

2354519y

643 posts

181 months

Saturday 23rd November 2013
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^^^^^^^^ v. useful