RE: Michelin pumps up airless tyre
RE: Michelin pumps up airless tyre
Monday 8th November 2004

Michelin pumps up airless tyre

Said be to maintenance-free, will unchecked tyres be safer?


Michelin announced the first maintenance-free airless tyre at this year's Paris motorshow. Michelin called it the first but, of course, the first tyres ever invented by one Mr Dunlop were solid. However, it is bound to reduce the incentive for drivers to check tyres for wear.

Key to the Airless tyre is its advanced radial structure manufactured from high –performance composite materials, on to which a rubber tread is bonded. Once the tread wears down it can be removed and a new tread bonded to the core structure. The central structure is designed to last the life of the vehicle (typically 150,000 miles) and using advanced adhesives it is envisaged that motorists simply have a new tread each time the current set wears out.

The new tyre will be specifically "tuned" to their vehicle, says Michelin. It will never leak air, will never puncture, cannot be dangerously over-inflated, and ends the need to regularly check tyre pressures all round the car.

Michelin Head of Research and Development, Didier Miraton says, "Michelin’s research mission is to constantly bring about "technological leaps" in the tyre industry. Daily we strive to halve braking distance, rolling resistance, noise, and also to improve grip and extend tyre life. All this means experimenting with new structures, materials and so on. And day after day, we break new performance records, pushing back the limits of tyre technology.

"Our mission also includes exploring new avenues, to deliver solutions that meet new mobility expectations, in keeping with the Group’s own mission, which is to contribute to better mobility. Michelin Airless – and others - are all part of our portfolio of groundbreaking innovations. These are genuine technological leaps produced by Michelin’s visionary power, and we are seriously focusing our research on these solutions that will make their way onto the market within a decade or so.

“Nevertheless, one thing is sure, tyres as we know them today still have a long lease of life ahead of them."

A Michelin spokesman added that there was no technical reason why the tyres, originally designed to robustness on rough roads in less-developed parts of the globe, shouldn't become suitable for performance cars too. "It's about 10-15 years away", he said.

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pdV6

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16,442 posts

283 months

Monday 8th November 2004
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If they're bonding the tread onto the central core, what's the likelihood of the tread coming unbonded?
Back to the days of dodgy remoulds?

porky

201 posts

277 months

Monday 8th November 2004
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Wouldn't this give a bone hard ride? Maybe they have some clever technology to make the solid centre all squidgy but I just have this image of kids' tricycles with solid tyre that are rock hard.

deltaf

6,806 posts

275 months

Monday 8th November 2004
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No more "stingers" being used by the police....the crims are gonna love this one.

imperialism2024

1,596 posts

278 months

Monday 8th November 2004
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And 150K? The car's only being broken in by then.

Dan

1,068 posts

306 months

Monday 8th November 2004
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All very well but hoe much will it cost and more crucially how long will it take to get a new tread bonded? I'm guessing the treads will wear out as fast as current tyres. If you have to wait a day before driving the car after being rebonded I'd be put right off.

kingr seven

233 posts

261 months

Monday 8th November 2004
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deltaf said:
No more "stingers" being used by the police....the crims are gonna love this one.


Already the case with run-flats. Last I heard they were looking into EMP systems to kill the ECU. So the crims will be running around in old (carb and dizzy) cars with brand new run-flats on!

Kingr

cdp

8,017 posts

276 months

Monday 8th November 2004
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I can imagine the first court case following an emp causing a scrote with a pacemaker.

More to the point if the Police have these systems it won't be long before they will be available on the open black market.

While we would all like the Nissan or VW at the front of the queue of traffic to pull over to let people past I feel it would add a new dimension to roadrage.

shadytree

8,291 posts

271 months

Monday 8th November 2004
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Don't do a 275ZR19 yet do they.I've had two nails in the last month in my rears

m-five

12,012 posts

306 months

Monday 8th November 2004
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shadytree said:
Don't do a 275ZR19 yet do they.I've had two nails in the last month in my rears


Just put a half dozen cans of 'mobility spray' into your tyres and let them work their magic - should be stinger safe too!

shadytree

8,291 posts

271 months

Monday 8th November 2004
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m-five said:

Just put a half dozen cans of 'mobility spray' into your tyres and let them work their magic - should be stinger safe too!


Don't feel safe doing 180 with 'mobility spray' only rated for 50mph and 100 miles.

180 in reference to VMAX and none of Her Majesties Highways

cdp

8,017 posts

276 months

Monday 8th November 2004
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Just went outside and found my rear tyre was flat and changed it in the rain while it was still light.

Glad it was at home with my trolley jack. The one that came with the Vectra is utterly useless and will twist at the slightest hint of a slope - even in the Fens.

The people who designed/approved the design of the Vauxhall/Opel jack should be made to go out every January night 10pm to 6 am with RAC/AA and change wheels using only the manufacturers equipment.

I bet that would make them design better jacking mechanisms.

m-five

12,012 posts

306 months

Monday 8th November 2004
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shadytree said:

m-five said:

Just put a half dozen cans of 'mobility spray' into your tyres and let them work their magic - should be stinger safe too!



Don't feel safe doing 180 with 'mobility spray' only rated for 50mph and 100 miles.

180 in reference to VMAX and none of Her Majesties Highways


But that's for 1 can! If you fill it up with 5 or 6 cans then you can do 200 on them - honest

cdp

8,017 posts

276 months

Monday 8th November 2004
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My brother did a several laps of Castle Coombe in a Marcos Mantis demonstrator (I think that was the one with the supercharged Mustang lump) a few years back and that was with mobility spray in one of the tyres.

He said it felt great.

phase90

85 posts

296 months

Monday 8th November 2004
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These were originally designed for robustness on rough roads in less developed parts of the world. So that means there is an obvious limitation on speed; and why they are not for "us" in 10-15 years.

How do the little flexible bands wear? Evenly, or do some get weaker than others quicker? (can you say lumpy ride?) Also, what is the impact resistance threshold? (a damaged band will also be a lumpy ride)

Also, let's say you drive through a spot of mud. The mud is now stuck to the -INSIDE- of the "tire", causing balance problems. The same could be said for small rocks getting lodged in the bands.

Other than speed limits and wear issues, these could be da bomb...

Cadillac Man

15 posts

263 months

Tuesday 9th November 2004
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phase90 said:
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Also, let's say you drive through a spot of mud. The mud is now stuck to the -INSIDE- of the "tire", causing balance problems. The same could be said for small rocks getting lodged in the bands.

Other than speed limits and wear issues, these could be da bomb...


The photo shown, one would assume, is of a cutaway -- the sidewalls having been removed to show what makes these different.

As for replacement, one would hope that the customer would trade in the cores for new tyres (or rebonded ones), thus having to wait only for mounting...

In any case, it seems to me they would be too expensive for markets where the roads are poor. My guess is that only a dense foam insert would be a viable solution, and even then as a run-flat (still needing air pressure for best performance, but allowing for air pressure adjustments).

Check GreenTyre for non-automotive airless tyres: www.greentyre.com/eng/index2.php

havoc

32,520 posts

257 months

Tuesday 9th November 2004
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Michelin said:
"designed to robustness on rough roads in less-developed parts of the globe"


So that explains why Michelin are now proposing them for UK roads then!!!

cdp

8,017 posts

276 months

Tuesday 9th November 2004
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I wonder what it does for unsprung weight?