RE: Nissan GT-R NISMO: What They're Saying
RE: Nissan GT-R NISMO: What They're Saying
Monday 25th November 2013

Nissan GT-R NISMO: What They're Saying

All and sundry were clamouring for a preview drive in the NISMO GT-R; here's what they thought



Nissan GT-R NISMO is a model designation fans have been crying out for since the R35 was first driven back in 2007. Nissan's Motorsport division is familiar to many outside Japan thanks to Gran Turismo and bringing the two together surely promised a very special car indeed.

We were expecting a lot, and the NISMO delivers
We were expecting a lot, and the NISMO delivers
Fortunately, the car was certainly worth it. Though limited to a few laps on the short Sodegaura Forest circuit, Dan Prosser had plenty positive to write about the 600hp NISMO. As could have been predicted, it was certainly fast; "staggeringly quick" was Dan"s assertion, the ferocious acceleration augmented by a gearbox that remains "brilliant".

Some were surprised that the NISMO weighs only 20kg less than the standard 1,740kg GT-R. However, Dan discovered a hugely agile car that belied its kerbweight. Thanks to a new rear anti-roll bar, trail braking meant the back of the car "moved around quite markedly to help keep the nose pinned to its line". It's an "endlessly enjoyable" sensation, according to Mr Prosser.

His overall verdict was of a "deeply impressive and likeable machine", and one that promises to reveal much more given greater exposure. What about the others?

Evo: 'To award it five stars is an easy decision'
Evo: 'To award it five stars is an easy decision'
Evo's Nick Trott also mentioned the NISMO's great agility, describing how it "resists body movement, and remains stable even during high-speed direction changes." The engine provided "vivid" acceleration, but Nick echoed Dan"s view that the 911 Turbo felt equally as rapid.

Price was a particular point of contention in Nick's NISMO review. It's expected to cost around £40K more than the standard, and still exceptional, GT-R. Though the NISMO car has rarity in its favour, there's no denying the "regular" GT-R offers a huge amount of the NISMO"s talent for less, and that"s before any tuning options are considered.

But Evo was unequivocal in its praise of the NISMO GT-R's ability. Nick concluded that it was "easily a match" for the 911 Turbo and Aston V12 Vantage S as a driver's car, and "exudes real character to boot."

AE: 'It elevates the GT-R to another level'
AE: 'It elevates the GT-R to another level'
Jack Rix for Auto Express described the GT-R NISMO as a "relative bargain" given the performance, which was "frighteningly fast" in his opinion. Jack stated the noise made as a fantastic cocktail of "intakes gulping the air, exhausts bellowing and all four tyres ripping at the tarmac."

On the same short teaser drive as our Dan, Jack said the four laps "was plenty to get a feel for its character, which is less savage than you might think." He made a particular point of mentioning the steering, which wanted for some feel "next to more exotic supercars" but did provide "immediate and reliable responses." In combination with that ferocious powertrain, it allowed the GT-R to "fly out the other side of each bend."

Auto Express awarded the NISMO four stars, one less than Evo. However, given the standard car is a rated at five stars in the AE review bank, the NISMO will probably gain the extra on a more extensive drive.

TG: 'Oh-God-make-it-stop-fast'
TG: 'Oh-God-make-it-stop-fast'
Matthew Jones was Top Gear's correspondent in Japan and wins the PH creative writing award for describing the NISMO's performance; it's "Oh-God-make-it-stop-fast" apparently.

That pesky Porsche was a subject for discussion again, but this time the comparison was entirely favourable. Risking a foray into the GT-R "digital vs analogue" debate, Matthew suggested the NISMO felt "as mechanical, analogue, and darned... right as a 911 Turbo S."

Special mention was reserved for the suspension set-up also, especially when put against the Track Pack GT-R. Where the old car "would merrily grind your spine to pewter", Matthew found "more pliancy than you"d imagine is possible" when driving the NISMO. Like Nick at Evo, he was also at pains to stress it "this is no Playstation experience."

But forget the subtleties and nuances of the NISMO's dynamics, the TG justification for clamouring over it is far simpler: "It is daft and visceral and has a massive spoiler." Who could argue with that?

Autocar: 'Makes a great car even better'
Autocar: 'Makes a great car even better'
Finally we come to Nic Cackett at Autocar, who believed this ultimate iteration of the R35 "has never been more deserving of its fans' frenzied enthusiasm." Like the others, it was impossible to review the GT-R NISMO without that Nurburgring lap time and the Time Attack spec car. But he made the salient point that the appeal of the NISMO is that it appeals on the intangible, subjective criteria than simply in delivering a "fantasy lap time."

On the NISMO's handling, Nic discovered the "GT-R's fabled ability to make near straights of apexes attains new levels of uncanniness." Driving the car back to back with the MY14 car, the NISMO seemed "doubly aggressive."

Agility and response again featured, Nic drawing special attention to the NISMO's greater rigidity over a regular R35. It makes for a car "that bit pointier than standard" and one with a "sensation of heightened precision."

The NISMO GT-R was half a star away from a perfect Autocar score, itself half a star up on the standard car's four.


PHers said:

"One for the fanboys I think, especially at a £40K+ premium over what is already a staggeringly fast car." Oz83

"The standard GT-R should be fast enough for most people. The Nismo doesn"t offer enough to justify the premium." the_hood

"Bargain of the century" Dave Hedgehog

"It"s pretty amazing how such a heavy lump can accelerate and turn that fast. I want one - but not for £120k!" g4ry13

"GTR for me. The enthusiasts choice" Uncle John

 

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toppstuff

Original Poster:

13,698 posts

277 months

Monday 25th November 2013
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I can't quite put a finger on why, but this is the first new car to get me genuinely excited for a long time.

I have been pretty cynical and jaded by the new car scene lately but this thing makes me smile like a school kid again.

El Shafto

133 posts

175 months

Monday 25th November 2013
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As much as I'd love one, I don't think I'll ever be in a position to spunk £120k on a car (not to mention the possible appreciating values given it's supposed exclusivity), so for now I'll have to console myself by working towards that much more attainable £35k second hand MY09 GTR.... That'll just about do.

blindswelledrat

25,257 posts

262 months

Monday 25th November 2013
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Reading all that, it sounds exactly like all the reviews of the stock GT-R, hence there's no explanation of what makes this so good and £20k more?

Joeguard1990

1,217 posts

156 months

Monday 25th November 2013
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Does anyone know how many of these they are making?

I remember when the R34 Z Tune came out they only released 20 and I still wish I could get my hands on one of those!

This thing should be amazing

dandarez

14,029 posts

313 months

Monday 25th November 2013
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Are hacks being handed freebies to push this car?

You're all sooo excited about this car but we don't seem to be - at all!
(plus why on earth have you needed to list comments from PHs in your blurb fgs!)

Perhaps it's too early, but the previous GT-R Nismo news received just 4 lonely comments and I've just made this one rise to only 5 responses.

Methinks you lot have got it wrong. Throw the freebies in the bin, it didn't work.

Or as in the previous thread on the GT-R thread (which I'll remind you again got just 4 comments!) I'll add this:
JaguarsportXJR said:
Seriously? In the week where we had this:



we get a GTR as POTW? Don't get me wrong, I like the GTR, but...

You've seen the F-Type, right?

mike parfitt

36 posts

290 months

Monday 25th November 2013
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I like the distinctive rear end treatment - something nice for all bar P1, Veyron and possibly 911 turbo owners to contemplate as it disappears into the distance....

SmartVenom

462 posts

199 months

Monday 25th November 2013
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Have to admit I'm quite liking these round up items. Interesting to see the different/same views.

I've nothing much to say on the car though! Would quite like a drive in one, but would want something prettier to live with, even if that is shallow!

toppstuff

Original Poster:

13,698 posts

277 months

Monday 25th November 2013
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dandarez said:
Are hacks being handed freebies to push this car?

You're all sooo excited about this car but we don't seem to be - at all!
(plus why on earth have you needed to list comments from PHs in your blurb fgs!)

Perhaps it's too early, but the previous GT-R Nismo news received just 4 lonely comments and I've just made this one rise to only 5 responses.

Methinks you lot have got it wrong. Throw the freebies in the bin, it didn't work.

Or as in the previous thread on the GT-R thread (which I'll remind you again got just 4 comments!) I'll add this:
JaguarsportXJR said:
Seriously? In the week where we had this:



we get a GTR as POTW? Don't get me wrong, I like the GTR, but...

You've seen the F-Type, right?
No-one has driven the F-Type Coupe yet. So it is too soon to comment on its arrival IMO.

The NISMO is a left-field, oddball selection though I admit. A marmite car. I think thats a good thing.

blindswelledrat

25,257 posts

262 months

Monday 25th November 2013
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dandarez said:
Are hacks being handed freebies to push this car?

You're all sooo excited about this car but we don't seem to be - at all!
(plus why on earth have you needed to list comments from PHs in your blurb fgs!)

Perhaps it's too early, but the previous GT-R Nismo news received just 4 lonely comments and I've just made this one rise to only 5 responses.

Methinks you lot have got it wrong. Throw the freebies in the bin, it didn't work.
It's interesting isn't it? Collectively we all seem to be a bit bored by GT-Rs now and I've been wondering why. I think it is just a bit old hat now and it isn't the car it once was, largely due to price.
Getting on for 5 years now that this came out and at the time it was £51k and utterly obliterated anything costing up to twice its price. It was a complete revelation and nothing that I could remember changed the mid priced performance car game so much in one fell swoop. Everything about it excited me.
They've since hiked the price beyond all relevance so now you have a very expensive performance car that is 50% more expensive than the original car and is fundamentally the same car but a bit faster, and in the case of the Nismo, twice the price and a bit faster.

Guvernator

14,471 posts

195 months

Monday 25th November 2013
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blindswelledrat said:
It's interesting isn't it? Collectively we all seem to be a bit bored by GT-Rs now and I've been wondering why. I think it is just a bit old hat now and it isn't the car it once was, largely due to price.
Getting on for 5 years now that this came out and at the time it was £51k and utterly obliterated anything costing up to twice its price. It was a complete revelation and nothing that I could remember changed the mid priced performance car game so much in one fell swoop. Everything about it excited me.
They've since hiked the price beyond all relevance so now you have a very expensive performance car that is 50% more expensive than the original car and is fundamentally the same car but a bit faster, and in the case of the Nismo, twice the price and a bit faster.
Yep have to agree with this 100%, the R35 was a bit of a game changer but each successive iteration has been a case of diminishing returns. At £50k it was stunning value for money but at £120k, not so much. I like the fact that they've continued to evolve it and make it faster but each "improvement" has come with a massive price hike, especially this Nismo version and I just can't see why this car is £70k better than a standard GT-R.

Also I really wish they'd have done a bit more with weight saving, when the world and his dog seems to have acknowledge that weight is a major issue in modern cars, it seems a shame that a technology led product like the GT-R is just so damn heavy.

acespizee

112 posts

181 months

Monday 25th November 2013
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I would take a standard 40k GTR and do my stuff to it, but nothing can stop me loving this. cool

Amirhussain

11,652 posts

193 months

Monday 25th November 2013
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Anyone got the PH article of when the R35 first came on the scene?

blindswelledrat

25,257 posts

262 months

Monday 25th November 2013
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Amirhussain said:
Anyone got the PH article of when the R35 first came on the scene?
Not to hand, but there were many I seem to recall, at various stages of near release/release etc and all of them were dozens of pages long.

RX7

258 posts

274 months

Monday 25th November 2013
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Its the same with any Nismo variant, skylines, 350z, 370z etc Its not quite the same as an amg merc where loads are punted out, there will be a ltd number where the price justifies the exclusivity, or should. Your paying for a ltd model numbers, not the performance gains and judging by 2nd hand values of any of the above, it should hold its value above a std GTR.

Dave Hedgehog

16,353 posts

234 months

Monday 25th November 2013
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i want one sooooo bad

RX7

258 posts

274 months

Monday 25th November 2013
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dandarez said:
Perhaps it's too early, but the previous GT-R Nismo news received just 4 lonely comments and I've just made this one rise to only 5 responses.
I would probably suggest this is down to the base GTR being affordable to mere mortals earnings and availability and this not, i would guess given the option most GTR owners would love a Nismo version if it were way cheaper if only for bragging rights, but who in the real world of driving is going to notice the tweaks to any degree, let alone ones that cost a huge sum of money.

A collectors item or for hardened wealthy Nismo enthusiasts.

Maldini35

2,913 posts

218 months

Monday 25th November 2013
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I have to agree with the concensus. The standard GTR is an amazing machine. Not really my cup of tea but I respect it hugely.
As for this Nismo version, they seem to be looking for gains in the wrong place.
Forget laptop fiddling, bigger turbos and spoilers - lose 400kg and you'd have a lot more people interested.
Stuck record I know but...

7s2000

16 posts

160 months

Monday 25th November 2013
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still prefer the z-tune R34 more. 1600kg, but with a manual gearbox wink

http://www.nismo.co.jp/Z-tune/contents_e.html

16,900,000 yen when launched = £103k in today's money, which makes the £120k R35 value though

Adam B

29,725 posts

284 months

Monday 25th November 2013
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blindswelledrat said:
Reading all that, it sounds exactly like all the reviews of the stock GT-R, hence there's no explanation of what makes this so good and £20k more?
Eh? Says a laughable £40k more in article, which puts into 911 turbo territory, which rather kills the only reason for having one over the 911 IMHO

NomduJour

20,641 posts

289 months

Monday 25th November 2013
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Adam B said:
Eh? Says a laughable £40k more in article, which puts into 911 turbo territory, which rather kills the only reason for having one over the 911 IMHO
Very different cars.