Cool view out of the (Dreamliner) window this morning :-)
Cool view out of the (Dreamliner) window this morning :-)
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rowey200

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429 posts

210 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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Couple of pics just because! Just about to pop through the clouds off the coast of Wales this morning. Think I had the best seat for a view of the trick looking wing, which I think you'll agree, looks almost as good as the view biggrin

Loved the Dreamliner, a very chilled out flight smile




buckline

377 posts

192 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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Had the pleasure of flying from Newark to Heathrow overnight last week on BA188. It was the most pleasurable premium economy flights I've done.

Those windows!

Thank God the windows kept me entertained though as BA's IFE was shocking this month.

Ari

19,814 posts

244 months

Wednesday 27th November 2013
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Great photos! smile

saaby93

32,038 posts

207 months

Wednesday 27th November 2013
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yikes wing looks floppy

Do they need that bit at the far end scratchchin

magpie215

5,017 posts

218 months

Wednesday 27th November 2013
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Nice :-)

rowey200

Original Poster:

429 posts

210 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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saaby93 said:
yikes wing looks floppy
They certainly move around quite a bit during take off and in the slightest of turbulence - so much so that the captain advised the passengers not to be alarmed during his pre flight chit chat biggrin

Really enjoyed the flight, as said above, windows are pretty cool and there seemed to be more leg room than I'm used to in cattle class. Also noticed that we were cruising at 41,000ft for much of the flight, sure this is quite a bit higher than other passenger aircraft? Ground speed was also looking pretty sweet at over 600mph, again, sure this is faster than 747s etc?

Simpo Two

92,670 posts

294 months

Friday 29th November 2013
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rowey200 said:
They certainly move around quite a bit during take off
They actually have flapping mechanisms. It means the engines need less power and so save fuel.

rowey200 said:
Ground speed was also looking pretty sweet at over 600mph, again, sure this is faster than 747s etc?
Depends what the head/tail wind is. 100mph behind you and bingo, you're doing 700mph ground speed. Head the other way and you're only doing 500mph.

DJRC

23,563 posts

265 months

Friday 29th November 2013
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rowey200 said:
Couple of pics just because! Just about to pop through the clouds off the coast of Wales this morning. Think I had the best seat for a view of the trick looking wing, which I think you'll agree, looks almost as good as the view biggrin

Loved the Dreamliner, a very chilled out flight smile



A. Why do you think the wing looks "trick"?
B. Why do you think the wing looks particularly good?

There is nothing particularly trick about the 787.

5150

750 posts

284 months

Friday 29th November 2013
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Illustration of groundspeed.

Wind behind us at 213 Knots = 245 mph

Speed across the ground: 679 Knots = 781 mph

(Approx speed of sound at sea level = 767 mph)

anonymous-user

83 months

Friday 29th November 2013
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787
DJRC said:
A. Why do you think the wing looks "trick"?
B. Why do you think the wing looks particularly good?

There is nothing particularly trick about the 787.
I assume he enjoys the beautiful shape of the wing and the fact that it flexes upwards more than other wings. Perhaps he appreciates the aerodynamic properties of the new design cleaner wing with smaller fairings and cruise flaps reducing drag and the more efficient and aesthetically pleasing raked wing tip?

Apache

39,731 posts

313 months

Friday 29th November 2013
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rowey200 said:
Couple of pics just because! Just about to pop through the clouds off the coast of Wales this morning. Think I had the best seat for a view of the trick looking wing, which I think you'll agree, looks almost as good as the view biggrin

Loved the Dreamliner, a very chilled out flight smile



nice, very clean lines

saaby93

32,038 posts

207 months

Friday 29th November 2013
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Simpo Two said:
rowey200 said:
They certainly move around quite a bit during take off
They actually have flapping mechanisms. It means the engines need less power and so save fuel.
angel

DJRC

23,563 posts

265 months

Friday 29th November 2013
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el stovey said:
787
DJRC said:
A. Why do you think the wing looks "trick"?
B. Why do you think the wing looks particularly good?

There is nothing particularly trick about the 787.
I assume he enjoys the beautiful shape of the wing and the fact that it flexes upwards more than other wings. Perhaps he appreciates the aerodynamic properties of the new design cleaner wing with smaller fairings and cruise flaps reducing drag and the more efficient and aesthetically pleasing raked wing tip?
Its not a new design.
Every single aspect of the wing has been done before.

From an engineering pov there is jack st special about it. We've been buggering about with all this stuff for 30 yrs. The only really trick/pushing the envelope stuff with the 787 was the engines. And even they were "obsolete" in design terms by the time of first flight. The XWB stuff was another leap ahead again and there was only (give or take) 3 yrs between the two.

Now XWB, *that* has some seriously trick st in it.

anonymous-user

83 months

Friday 29th November 2013
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DJRC said:
From an engineering pov there is jack st special about it.
Perhaps from your engineering POV, I know plenty of other engineers that think it's a fantastic aircraft.

MitchT

17,114 posts

238 months

Friday 29th November 2013
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rowey200 said:
Also noticed that we were cruising at 41,000ft for much of the flight, sure this is quite a bit higher than other passenger aircraft?
Indeed. Most large passenger jets seem to cruise at between 35,000 and 38,000, but I've noticed from noseying on Flightradar that 787s always seem to be up at 41,000. The only time I've been that high was on an American 757 from LHR to BOS which climbed to 41,000 for the last couple of hours to avoid bad weather which we subsequently had to descend through into BOS... which was 'interesting' hehe

rs4al

954 posts

194 months

Saturday 30th November 2013
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The 787 will cruise at speeds of up to 0.89 Mach, iirc 747 is around 0.85.

Mojocvh

16,837 posts

291 months

Saturday 30th November 2013
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el stovey said:
Perhaps from your engineering POV, I know plenty of other engineers that think it's a fantastic aircraft.
Yep.

hehe

HoHoHo

15,398 posts

279 months

Saturday 30th November 2013
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We cruised at over 40k ft on an A380 back from Dubai a week or so ago.

Interestingly we also didn't fly over Iraq as normal but over Iran which is a first for me on that sector. The flight was also 1 hour shorter than it should be due to a pretty good tailwind.

rowey200

Original Poster:

429 posts

210 months

Monday 2nd December 2013
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DJRC said:
A. Why do you think the wing looks "trick"?
B. Why do you think the wing looks particularly good?

There is nothing particularly trick about the 787.
Answers,

A. Wing curved as opposed to flat(ish) and winglet incorporated.
B. As above

That ok for you biggrin