RE: 4WD AMGs for the UK
RE: 4WD AMGs for the UK
Thursday 28th November 2013

4WD AMGs for the UK

Next C-Class AMG will be first to add 4Matic option for UK buyers



Winter sales of AMGs in the UK will definitely heat up now Mercedes has finally figured out how to convert its all-wheel drive 4Matic system to RHD, rear-wheel drive cars.

You'll not be doing this in next AMG C-Class
You'll not be doing this in next AMG C-Class
That was the message from global AMG boss Tobias Moers at the LA Motor Show, who told us the first UK model to pair the new 4Matic system to a RWD car will be the new C-Class that launches next year. That coincides with a new focus on four-wheel drive at AMG. So much so that Moers told us that "pretty much every AMG" will be offered with the 4Matic system as an option.

He wouldn't elaborate but we think that it only leaves the SLK and potentially next year's 911-rival as rear-wheel drive only (although that's not for certain), given the A-, CLA and GLA45 are all four-wheel drive, as is the S-Class and its forthcoming coupe derivative.

What has spurred on AMG to roll out the 4Matics is the immense take-up for the lightweight AWD system in Germany. Moers told us that where 4Matic is offered alongside a standard rear-wheel drive AMG car, for example with E63 and CLS63, the split is a whopping 94 per cent to 4Matic. As Moers said, "If in a four-wheel driven car it's easier for normal customers to be faster on track than a rear-wheel drive, then it's got to be a good thing."

Downsized (relative term) turbo V8 coming
Downsized (relative term) turbo V8 coming
He reckoned we'll take to it in equally large numbers. "So far it's a shame we don't have it in the UK, where you have the weather. It's a big part of the success with the A45," he said. Harris was convinced driving an E63 4Matic - "Perhaps the fastest way yet devised for travelling pretty much anywhere on the public highway with several people on board," he declared.

Expanding on our previous chat at Frankfurt, Moers also came close to admitting the rumoured downsizing of the twin-turbo 5.5-litre V8 to a 4.0, also a V8. "Look at China. Beyond 4.0 is getting very expensive for their displacement tax, so 4.0-litre is a good size," he said. Don't think we need to worry it'll make less than 557hp.

Of course it'll be a while before we get our hands on four-wheel drive in a V8 car, but hopefully the C40 AMG 4Matic (or whatever it'll be called) comes pretty hard on the heels of the standard C-Class launch early next year.

 

 

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Hellbound

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2,515 posts

206 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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More choice is always good. Maybe BMW will give us X-Drive M cars too. An X-Drive M5 Touring would be quite a thing.

ChrisRS4

9 posts

172 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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As a current C63 and previous RS4 owner im intrigued.

Part of the reason i moved to the AMG was for the extra drama, the RS4 was relatively boring in comparison.

That said the RS4 was undoubtedly a faster car all year round in scotland!

I've just stuck winter boots on the C63 this week, if i get through this winter ok, including snowboarding trips up the hill, then i wont be clamoring to get back into a 4wd car.

The C63 certainly makes you treat it with respect, nothing wakes you up in the morning quite like the back end twitching and some opposite lock!

Mermaid

21,492 posts

201 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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Inevitable - mega power, mega torque. Fine for Harris's of the world for show boating, but not for Joe Public.

M cars will follow suit.

A 4wd GT3 one day? The new one has more power than the 993 Turbo when it went 4WD.

smilo996

3,856 posts

200 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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We no longer need Mercs in the UK. Land Rover, Jag, McLaren & Aston Martin can provide you with what ever is required. Send them home.

DonkeyApple

70,279 posts

199 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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smilo996 said:
We no longer need Mercs in the UK. Land Rover, Jag, McLaren & Aston Martin can provide you with what ever is required. Send them home.
I'd feel safer in a minicab if it was 4wd though.

BeirutTaxi

6,635 posts

244 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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No point for winter unless you put wintre tyres on. I know for a fact that RS4's with summer tyres on are almost undrivable in the snow & ice. Not a fault of the car - just the tyre choice.

arkenphel

484 posts

235 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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On one hand, choice is a GOOD THING.

But on the other hand, the progressive dumb-ification of drivers continue. Whatever happened to needing some driver skill and nous to drive fast?

I understand the need for top tier performance models to be faster than their everyday variants, but I just want a car that will be fun to drive at normal speeds.

The fact that I will never, uh, publicly get a car sideways is irrelevant. I would at least like the car to be able to go sideways if I was being brave/ stupid on the road.

yeah, I'm grumpy this morning.

RacerMike

4,965 posts

241 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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From what I remember of Harris' review when the new E63 was launched earlier in the year, he was mightily impressed with the 4matic version. Even with 4wd, Merc seem to offer a significantly more RWD experience than Audi.

I think for the majority of drivers, 4wd will allow them to use more of the performance. Remember that a good number of owners of this type of super saloon are only buying it because they can afford it, and not because they're necessarily a 'driving god' as Hammond so humbly out it that time. The only difference between them and your average Mondeo driver is their bank balance, and I would say it's unlikely they'll have had any driver training.

Personally, I'd always choose a RWD over a 4wd as I just find it more entertaining and challenging. Modern 4wd cars like the GTR give a considerable impression of a RWD car with loads of traction, but it just doesn't interest me as much as feeling the car moving around properly!

But choice is a good thing....so well done MB!

SVX

2,188 posts

241 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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As a current C63 owner, I welcome the option of a 4WD variant. As most of my driving is a mixture of B-roads and motorway stints, making progress in wet conditions can be problematic, and whilst a bit of tail-happiness is a good thing, the continuous flickering of the TC in greasy conditions irks somewhat when trying to get somewhere - i.e. work!

A fully switchable 4WD/2WD system would be ideal balance for messing about on a Sunday morning hoon, versus pressing on, which lets face it, the '63 was born for.

nickfrog

25,397 posts

247 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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arkenphel said:
But on the other hand, the progressive dumb-ification of drivers continue. Whatever happened to needing some driver skill and nous to drive fast?
Or maybe people have so little skills and particularly throttle modulation skills that 4wd has become a necessity to "press on" ?

You really don't need to be Harris to have fun in safety and not particularly sideways either...

It's all about point and squirt or short travel throttle maps nowadays though...

Cotic

469 posts

182 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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BeirutTaxi said:
No point for winter unless you put wintre tyres on. I know for a fact that RS4's with summer tyres on are almost undrivable in the snow & ice. Not a fault of the car - just the tyre choice.
Not entirely, a friend of mine went from an RS4 to a C63 and then almost immediately back into an RS4 entirely due to it's ability (or the lack of ability of the C63) on the slippery stuff. Tyres are always summers as winter tyres aren't good for decent nurburgring times. Apparently.

I'd personally be keen on a AWD performance saloon as my driveway slope precludes me from parking a rwd car in the snow. XFR AWD would probably be my choice though.

Oddball RS

1,757 posts

248 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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smilo996 said:
We no longer need Mercs in the UK. Land Rover, Jag, McLaren & Aston Martin can provide you with what ever is required. Send them home.
I've off to buy an Aston A class, and a Jag Sprinter....................

Amirhussain

11,652 posts

193 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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smilo996 said:
We no longer need Mercs in the UK. Land Rover, Jag, McLaren & Aston Martin can provide you with what ever is required. Send them home.
lol

kambites

71,562 posts

251 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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More choice can never be a bad thing, just so long as they continue to produce the RWD ones.

graeme4130

3,955 posts

211 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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it was the 2wd of the current C63 estate that made me choose an RS4, but this could see me in a Merc
I've always wondered why they never did this previously

Beefmeister

16,482 posts

260 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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Given that the 'C63' moniker didn't change when it went from 6.2 litres to 5.5, I doubt it'll change from 5.5 to 4.0 either.

anonymous-user

84 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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What kind of awd setup do these things have?

panholio

1,109 posts

178 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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Beefmeister said:
Given that the 'C63' moniker didn't change when it went from 6.2 litres to 5.5, I doubt it'll change from 5.5 to 4.0 either.
Is there a 5.5l C63? confused

rudecherub

1,997 posts

196 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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[quote]Jensen FF chassis number 119/025 photographed in Switzerland 1968 - Motoring journalist Michael Scarlett at the steering wheel. In a fit of bravado, Scarlett decided to drive this FF up a ski-slope. Unaided and with basic crossply tyres, 119/025 drove up the ski-slope without fuss; much to the surprise of skiers.
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Good news from MB. It's only taken nearly half a century.


kambites

71,562 posts

251 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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panholio said:
Beefmeister said:
Given that the 'C63' moniker didn't change when it went from 6.2 litres to 5.5, I doubt it'll change from 5.5 to 4.0 either.
Is there a 5.5l C63? confused
Not as far as I know - the C-class is the only car to still be using the old naturally aspirated lump.

They did keep the 63 name on other models when they went from 6.2 to 5.5 though.